seiryu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:45 amOh, I 100% agree that Buggy has plot relevance...but it's with the caveat that he is purely comedic relief. Oda made his favorite character 100% protected by plot armor. He shouldn't be alive because he is too weak and has made zero progress other than being able to buy better explosives (we see an upgrade to his Bubby Ball in a movie or maybe in the main plot when he is a Shichibukai). It was upgraded per his own words for the Minotaur, but his lack of progress is exactly why it does nothing. I'm a fan of underdogs, so I like Buggy if I ignore his annoying side. Oda has some sort of plan where Buggy (and something with his fruit ability probably ) is going to play a key role at the ending of the series. I am already in 100% agreement on this, so I probably have to make this clear.Minty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:38 pmEast Blue Buggy was actually very powerful feat-wise. Especially when it comes to durability. After seeing what happened to Minotauros, I don't think many people can just shrug off a buggy or muggy ball and Buggy was hit by both and wasn't damaged at all. If you go back to Buggy's first arc there was a moment in his fight with Luffy where Luffy says something like "you're still alive?". When he was hit by the lightning, his crewmate asks "you survived that?" When WB met with Shanks, WB asked him "is that big nose still alive?". At Marineford, the first thing WB says to Buggy is "I see you're still alive". It seems that Buggy has a history of surviving things that he shouldn't be able to survive. Buggy has also never been beaten. He's been defeated by Luffy + Nami and again by Hannyabal, but in both cases ropes were used to bind him. He was never knocked unconscious in the way other villains have. These things are the reason why I believe Buggy is a lot stronger than people give him credit for. Both the readers and the characters in the manga. I think Oda is protecting him for a reason other than him being his favorite character. He has plot relevance.
Also, the prisoners promised to follow Buggy forever long before they found out he was on Roger's crew. They were following him ever since he freed them and they didn't know he was with Roger until the ship ride to Marineford. Galdino was also following him despite knowing who he truly is. Buggy has the ability to gain allies regardless of his reputation. I also don't recall the Marines ever saying Buggy was not a threat. WB said something like that to Marco after he allied with Buggy during Marineford. WB never said Buggy was weak or that he wasn't a threat. He said "I don't know about the big nose, but I don't want to have those convicts as an enemy".
Anyway, Buggy doesn't have to be Yonkou level to be a threat to a Yonkou. That's like saying Lex Luther has to be as strong as Superman to be a threat to him. I don't compare Buggy to Luffy in that way because he would lose badly if he tries to match Luffy at his own game. I compare Buggy more to Usopp where the majority of his power comes from his weapons. We've seen how devastating a buster call is. A single buggy ball can wipe out an entire town. Now imagine a fleet shooting buggy balls at a Yonkou's island or at a Yonkou during a naval battle.
Edit: Also during Impel Down, Buggy saw Luffy use G2 against the Blugori and G3 against the cockatrice and even remarked that Luffy has gotten a lot stronger since they last met. He was still confident that he could beat Luffy. That might stem from Buggy's overconfidence, but I just wanted to throw that out there.
When they are making the decision to appoint the new Shichibukai, someone states that Buggy is not a threat, but the pirates under him are. The exact same things on his ties to Roger and Shanks carry notoriety so they approve his appointing. Everyone's comments and all of Buggy's fighting (or complete lack since he always flees) reflects him being the same as how he was in East Blue.
Wait...are you going to say you expect Buggy to take on a Yonkou? Buggy himself will say he will never do something like that. He always says he doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize his safety. He always acts tough and makes an excuse to delegate it to someone else. When he is forced into something, it is when plot armor comes along and keeps him safe (the cover story, Luffy in Impel Down, or his powerful underlings ever since).
What has Buggy himself shown other than weapons that can be bought/given while he was a Shichibukai? He uses his flying ability to make himself look bigger in his Shichibukai getup. There is nothing based on his combat capabilities that has changed other than his Buggy Ball.
Buggy doesn't buy the explosives. He created them himself. Buggy is also more of a comic relief in the anime than he was in the manga. He's as much of a comic relief character as Luffy is.
I honestly don't remember the Marines saying that about Buggy. I don't remember there being a meeting for Buggy either. They just sent the bat with the invitation right after the war.
I'm saying Buggy has the firepower to be a threat to anyone in the series.
What has someone like Usopp done other than gain new weapons? Observation haki? You can't compare Buggy to a brawler type character because that's not what kind of fighter he is. A lot of characters would be worthless without their weapons. Take Franky's upgrades away. How has Franky improved over the skip?