One Piece Chapter 979: Family Problems

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Kurowara wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 11:34 am
I would have liked very much if it had been clearly stated that they were looking for an alternative way to get in, but that is not what it looked like.

One of the SH : "Everyone has already gone"
Franky : "We're going to catch up with them in no time"
=> they were taken short, remaining behind was not something planned beforehand. I would have much preferred if them trying to snitch in by some hidden paths was clearly part of the initial plan, rather than being improvised in ten seconds and in the most random way possible.
Isn't spur of the moment/go with the flow the general theme of being a Mugiwara? The mature members start off sticking to their previous mannerisms, but they are forced into with all of Luffy's shenanigans. Oda can't just change 22-23 years of consistency.
Kurowara wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 11:34 am
I don't think it works in such a binary way. Right now, acting "according to his morale" would be doing the exact same error Ace did. If repeats this error, then he would have learned nothing, and would ruin the plan, and for what ? Because two random guys are insulting Okobore ?
Right now, being strong would be not to give in to his emotions.
Emotionnaly, seeing him struggle not to punch these guys would be much more intense than him immediately going like "What did you say ! Tama is my friend ! Stop insulting my friend !"
And Luffy is that sort of simple-minded idiot. You're applying the rational course of action for both of these. Of course the manga will go smoother if Luffy does the rational thing all the time. That negates a bunch of the drama. Plus, in this instance, this starts the action. I guess I should ask, do you think they can legitimately defeat Kaidou?
GoldenVenus wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 5:57 pm
- I love the Luffy and Zoro joke lol XD But I have a feeling Zoro will end up somewhere crucial.
- Why didn't Kanjuro draw a bird and fly to where Orochi and Kaido are? Is it because it's too far? Or is it because his state of mind affectshis drawings?
If Zoro somehow safely wanders next to Orochi and cuts him down...that'd be perfect! Zoro's gonna be drinking, so he's got the best camouflage.
As for Kanjurou, the answer is probably him being an enemy. He can't fly straight in because there are still guards everywhere. This is why he goes to the secret entrance.
GoldenVenus wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 5:57 pm
- I'm intrigued about Yamato and Kaido's important announcement related to his son. What could it be? A future captain of the Beast Pirates? Or something else?
- I'm guessing Yamato is the 'I don't give a shit' type too based on what they said. Or could it be that he gets lost easily like a certain someone?
Considering it is big enough to prioritize over the Kaidou/Big Mom alliance, it's gotta be something unique! I can't think of anything, so I'm just going to look forward to it.
GoldenVenus wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 5:57 pm
I was wondering the same thing too. Bu it could be because of the angle too. It's from a low angle. For camera shot we call it low-angle shot, to make the subject appear more powerful. And Kaido's sitting down too. But, well, I need to see Jack and Kaido next to each other to confirm.
There's an overhead shot later and it shows Jack being much bigger than King and being roughly the same size as Kaidou.
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Fri May 08, 2020 5:57 pm
I know people say that Luffy would explode, but I get the feeling he won't. He would be mad of course, but looking at that expression, it looks like he's burning but holding it in. Perhaps he'd direct the anger towards something else, or something else might happen before he bursts out in anger.

Also, regarding morals of his character, I know that mangakas tend to stick to a character's trait. In Luffy's case, his recklessness. But in writing, there's always room for character development (this depends on the author whether he wants to make it happen or not) so yeah, things could change I think. But if Luffy is still gonna make a scene right then and there, I have nothing else to say XD
To be politically correct, Oda avoids the topic completely but morals always trump everything in One Piece. There's a reason why we don't have complexity of gray area of morals. Even the first example of Pudding was simplified to the pro-Sanji side and the pro-Big Mom side. I'm just going to point out the overlap with Shanks and the mountain bandit. There's a reason for all of this.
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Fri May 08, 2020 8:43 pm
Updated the scan link since the one provided wasn't working.
Thanks.
Marco Polo wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 8:43 pm
That being said, Robin seemed surprisingly keen.
She wanted to though based on her reaction after Brook takes her seat.
Marco Polo wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 8:43 pm
> There's some interesting groupings going on with the Straw Hats... I'm guessing the three groups end up getting separated. Sanji is likely protecting the weak trio (with support from Usopp/Shinobu), and Jinbe/Robin and Franky/Brook are very solid pairings.
Yup, we have some potential great teamwork. The characters overlap with their key personality traits so Oda's got something planned!
Marco Polo wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 8:43 pm
> There's a lot of tension within Kaido's crew, and I think that could be their undoing.
Yup, the disbanding of the crew upon the death of Kaidou's dream is the negation of the threat.
Marco Polo wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 8:43 pm
> Also, does this mean the Tobi Roppo are close to Commander level? If so, that means we have to re-evaluate the Sanji vs. Page One encounter.
There's a clear tier difference. Page One and the physically smaller Tobi Roppou are implied to be on a different level from the larger three (Who's Who being the same size as Sasaki was surprising). At least we know Sanji's at the level of some New World captains. He needs to master his Raid Suit in this arc though.
Marco Polo wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 8:43 pm
Updated the scan link since the one provided wasn't working.

> Is... Momo going to try and fight Kanjuro?
> Of course Luffy and Zoro have gone off on their own... looks like the alliance's cover will be blown pretty quickly, if Kidd cause trouble first. A Luffy/Zoro/Kidd teamup would be a lot of fun, though.
> Brook saving us from the shipping wars by getting on Franky's hog. Nice. That being said, Robin seemed surprisingly keen.
> There's some interesting groupings going on with the Straw Hats... I'm guessing the three groups end up getting separated. Sanji is likely protecting the weak trio (with support from Usopp/Shinobu), and Jinbe/Robin and Franky/Brook are very solid pairings.
> Somehow, despite his stellar reputation, Jinbe fits in well with this group of idiots, lol.
> Who's following the Straw Hats? Could it be...
> There's a lot of tension within Kaido's crew, and I think that could be their undoing.
> The "find my son" mission seems like a sure-fire way to have the Straw Hats meet Tobi Roppo members.
> Also, does this mean the Tobi Roppo are close to Commander level? If so, that means we have to re-evaluate the Sanji vs. Page One encounter.
> AH I think I know what Kaido's announcement is going to be. Theory coming soon.
> Luffy straight up asking one of the Beast Pirates if they've seen Kidd is, well... classic Luffy.
> That last page with Luffy reacting to the spilled soup is really well drawn - is the slowed release schedule giving Oda more time to touch up his drawings?
Nice, looking forward to it!


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Oh man...completely overlooked the cover story with all the action in the chapter! That's Pound, and that means he's ALIVE! This cover story just got really interesting! In typical Oda fashion, stated death isn't death until we get confirmation they are dead...so many people come back from stuff they should die from.


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seiryu wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 9:15 pm
Isn't spur of the moment/go with the flow the general theme of being a Mugiwara?

This was not really going with the flow.
You said that what happenned was better than if they had been teleported, but actually this actually how it felt for me : a huge distance just magically appeared in the blink of an eye between the SH and the 4000/5000 samurai they were with. For no apparent reason.
So when I talkad about planning, it was just one among many options that could have been used to separate the SH from the rest of the group, I would also have been fine with them following everyone and then deciding on a whim to split.

seiryu wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 9:15 pm
And Luffy is that sort of simple-minded idiot. You're applying the rational course of action for both of these. Of course the manga will go smoother if Luffy does the rational thing all the time. That negates a bunch of the drama.
What I want is not Luffy doing the rational thing all the time, what I want is Luffy not doing the irrationnal thing all the time, without taking into account all the similar experiences he's gone through, just for the sake of "still being Luffy".
Acting purely on emotion and morale led to Shanks losing his arm, the SH crew being blown apart and Ace dying. It seems we have a disagreement on what these disasters stand for. I believe they should help Luffy becoming (a little bit) more mature at crucial moments. From what I understand, you're rather of the opinion that Luffy should stay himself despite these. We have different wishes about how we want to see Luffy evolve. Only Oda can settle this matter.

seiryu wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 9:15 pm
Plus, in this instance, this starts the action
I would prefer the action to start on Kidd's side.

seiryu wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 9:15 pm
I guess I should ask, do you think they can legitimately defeat Kaidou?
I'm not sure how this question relates to what we discussed. Maybe I'm giving the impression of wanting everything to follow a rational path and you're asking me how Kaido could rationnally be defeated ? Then be reassured, this (everything to follow a strictly rational path) is not what I want.


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Amazing chapter, I like how people are splitting up and now the setup slowly ripes out.
I love the Robin + Jinbei splitt, the Brook + Franky one. Man so hyped :pizza:


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The Giant lady is not a Wotan. She does not have fins in this chapter.


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Kurowara wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 8:58 am
I'm not sure how this question relates to what we discussed. Maybe I'm giving the impression of wanting everything to follow a rational path and you're asking me how Kaido could rationnally be defeated ? Then be reassured, this (everything to follow a strictly rational path) is not what I want.
All of the above parts go in completely different directions if you think Luffy can legitimately defeat Kaidou or not. Since the average person doesn't like it when I reveal the patterns behind Oda's writing style, I'm going to stop myself from replying to the other parts. The gist I get is that I take away the romance (literal definition)/magical/admiration aspect.
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Sat May 09, 2020 4:16 pm
The Giant lady is not a Wotan. She does not have fins in this chapter.
I forget the age (~40?), they naturally get legs. Oda could be running with the Asians/Saiyajins don't show signs of aging. Black Maria, Sasaki, and Who's Who are the strongest and thus likely most senior/experienced New World captains before joining the 100 Beast Crew. People like Luffy and Ace becoming captains at such a young are are not the norm when we get shown "average" (the weak) pirates.

I think there's a reason why we don't see her back and also why she has the long kimono and the water was drawn on purpose.


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VIZ link added! Will post any updates thoughts later


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Waiting for these to come out is killer. I need to start setting an alarm. So I haven’t read any responses yet and am just going to dive in with my thoughts. Sorry if I’m repeating anything that’s been said already:

-Commander Chopper is back! Love it. So happy to see him.

-Jimbei not knowing what the Mecha were called. So unheard of.

-Usopp having the gumption to flat out tell Sanji he was useless in the tank made my day. His confidence in his sniping skills and ability to speak up for himself—especially when up against Sanji’s ero nature was grade A.

-Speaking if ero nature, Robin’s new outfit. I’m a huge fan. Just putting it out there.

-So Kaido’s announcement is that his son is engaged to Linlin’s daughter. I dunno which one she’s marrying off yet but she’s doing it again.

-Of course Zoro’s lost and of course Luffy followed Kid into the frontlines

-Karma that Kanjuro is lost in those tunnels though. Perfect. And Momo got a blade without him noticing? Even better. He said he’d make a chance to escape so it seems he’s going to do just that. Fantastic.

-However there’s a problem because not only are these guys wasting food in a country where they’re privileged enough to be the few who have it; they’re being insensitive about their arrogance and privilege towards their position vis-a-vis those who they’re oppressing. Luffy isn’t going to stand for this not one bit.


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seiryu wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 9:38 am
Oh man...Oda gives a bunch of important breadcrumbs in this chapter. Also, nice to be back to the stereotypical One Piece chapter with a variety of scenes across the emotional spectrum.

I'm kinda surprised the groups are completely splitting up (i.e. the Minks aren't staying together, the Yakuza bosses aren't staying together, etc.). I have to assume their teamwork is best with the people they know. Also, Law is freakin HALFWAY there already. I guess this makes sense because they have to reach Kaidou before all of the ceremonies start.

Stupid Kanjurou...good for him for not flying to the castle directly. Even if he's taking the secret passage (the closest route to the castle), that just means the Scabbards have a direct path and could catch up. This seems likely because Momo picks up the dagger. And more of the stupid Kanjurou in that he's too caught up in his own problems to hear it since Momo doesn't pick it up silently. We'll get an interesting scene of Momo taking his stand and I assume the Scabbards having the perfect time to intervene. OH...we should get Kanjurou vs. someone...too bad Kinemon isn't there. I'm forgetting their rank by seniority. Kiku might be most senior by who joined chronologically. That would be my bet on who takes on Kanjurou to let the rest go to Kaidou.

Does anyone remember if the numbers are the same for Franky's weapons? Based on the size of them, they look the same. But I guess he has technological advancements to power them up.

Poor Jinbei...he's gotta get initiated on all the craziness in the middle of a Yonkou War...but great to have some comic relief in the middle of the chapter. Best part of the chapter is Sanji's face~
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It's also been a while since the flirting between Franky and Robin, so that kinda surprised my. And of course the jealous Brook is gonna mess it up...poor Robin...Why couldn't Oda show her face for that scene...

Couldn't Oda give Jinbei something to cover his Taiou Crew mark?! Of course the symbol of the strongest Gyojin isn't recognizable in the New World...but the biggest potential breadcrumb is SOMEONE IS ALREADY SNOOPING AROUND THEM! This is the huge part. Who the hell is it? We already have everyone on the enemies partying. Luffy's alliance has already joined up with the second faction of Kouzuki loyalists...Hopefully it's the person that let Law out of the prison!

Jinbei's already foreshadowing the doom n gloom, but I'm attempting to stay positive on ALL the action coming up. Hell, even the stuff above is entertaining already.

Uh...did Jack get bigger? He's matching Kaidou...if Jack magically powered up, the alliance is even more screwed. But the Tobi Roppou are all former captains? Based on his comments, Sasaki is aiming for Kaidou's head. Per the excellent theory, Who's Who is just reeking of something planned with the smile upon hearing the opportunity to become an exec (probably needs to get closer to Kaidou).

So now we have a name for Kaidou's son: Yamato. He's obviously strong and strong willed based on Black Maria's reaction. But equally important is Kaidou's announcement. And Jack is definitely looking larger than before. Even with the angle of the scene of him, Queen, and King, they all looked around the same size. Jack is bigger than King now. But damn, Black Maria is hella tall! She's taller than Kaidou probably...

Not mentioned in the schedule is the fight between the finder of Yamato and the exec (Kaidou wants to show off his crew strength to Big Mom, which makes sense since most of these people are implied to be above Katakuri).

Best of all, the action already begins the next chapter! There is NO way Luffy doesn't respond. Nice nod to Shanks where Luffy doesn't react at all to getting covered with sticky crap. Imagine mashed potatoes mixed with sugar water. The starch from the beans makes it viscous and this is made worse by the sugar.

LOVING Oda's upgraded shading/finishing skills. So much more depth/emotional impact. I guess I'm liking this as a cliffhanger. Just looking at this response there is SOOOOOO much action coming up.

Edit: can't tag Rohan, but that's the beauty of it. Luffy not causing chaos is anti-Luffy. Plus, we have the added layer of sticking up for someone he deeply cares about. It isn't nakama level, but it's right below that. Luffy cannot overlook this.

Robin does not flirt with Franky at all. She's always used to flirt with Zoro.


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Monkey D. Bufford wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 6:05 pm
Robin does not flirt with Franky at all. She's always used to flirt with Zoro.
So a woman touching my balls and joking about how she enjoyed it isn't flirting?


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