Luffy, DF and the Will of D

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Oh yeah I had more to respond here. The rest of the response to [mention]Marco Polo[/mention] was from the Ace Novel. I need to pull up my copy and reference it. But basically, if you read the novel, there are so many parallels between Ace’s behaviour and Luffy’s that it’s difficult not to see it as the two of them having the Will transferred at Marineford. Maybe before but I’d say then for sure. There’s the crew being built by adopting various species and people who were lost and homeless in various ways. There’s the way in which he only didn’t start a thing with the Celestial Dragons because he had a babysitter but his crew expected it of him. At least some of them did. There’s giving weird nicknames to people upon first meeting them. I mean sure they’re brothers but it’s Luffy’s story, after all. Even if other D’s had it in part, it’s his path that we’re most drawn to overall.


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The fruit bonding best with people who have a certain strong, developed property is definitely interesting! It feels natural/organic that people who develop certain aspects of themselves strongly, or try to realise certain visions passionately, would also seek ways in which to expand their abilities. So that statement feels pretty plausible to me.

The repeating of fruits being karmic is a little bit difficult to grasp for me. What is the karmic relation of the repeated fruits you mentioned and their respective owners (current and previous)?


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Tue May 12, 2020 9:56 pm
The repeating of fruits being karmic is a little bit difficult to grasp for me. What is the karmic relation of the repeated fruits you mentioned and their respective owners (current and previous)?
So I tried to line it out at the end when I went through the repeated fruits, especially the early ones. The moral alignments of the characters in question have mostly flipped. As in the fruits were intended to be used for good—for obtaining justice, etc. So those who had them should be aligned towards that purpose. The Kurozumi’s clearly were working with Orochi thus morally corrupt. Bartolomeo started pretty shady or was represented that way (remember his introduction at the coliseum?) but is doing better under Luffy. Bon Clay started working for Crocodile but was reformed via Luffy’s influence as well. Not to say that Ace was bad but, strictly speaking, his goal was for himself. He was a pirate and he wanted infamy so that he could get out from under his father’s shadow. He wanted to be greater than the pirate king so that he could belong. Sabo wants to get rid of the WG and the Celestial Dragons—his goal is a bit loftier in terms of justice; he’s trying to help the people. I’m arguing that the others will be somehow shown to work through their issues and set back on the righteous path as it were. We know that contact with Luffy in general can turn someone’s life around. I’m arguing that this is the Will of D at work... that it carries over to the Devil Fruits, that’s why they were repeating. That the explanation I gave is what the Will of D is and that Luffy is carrying it out.

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Tue May 12, 2020 10:19 pm
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Tue May 12, 2020 9:56 pm
The repeating of fruits being karmic is a little bit difficult to grasp for me. What is the karmic relation of the repeated fruits you mentioned and their respective owners (current and previous)?
So I tried to line it out at the end when I went through the repeated fruits, especially the early ones. The moral alignments of the characters in question have mostly flipped. As in the fruits were intended to be used for good—for obtaining justice, etc. So those who had them should be aligned towards that purpose. The Kurozumi’s clearly were working with Orochi thus morally corrupt. Bartolomeo started pretty shady or was represented that way (remember his introduction at the coliseum?) but is doing better under Luffy. Bon Clay started working for Crocodile but was reformed via Luffy’s influence as well. Not to say that Ace was bad but, strictly speaking, his goal was for himself. He was a pirate and he wanted infamy so that he could get out from under his father’s shadow. He wanted to be greater than the pirate king so that he could belong. Sabo wants to get rid of the WG and the Celestial Dragons—his goal is a bit loftier in terms of justice; he’s trying to help the people. I’m arguing that the others will be somehow shown to work through their issues and set back on the righteous path as it were. We know that contact with Luffy in general can turn someone’s life around. I’m arguing that this is the Will of D at work... that it carries over to the Devil Fruits, that’s why they were repeating. That the explanation I gave is what the Will of D is and that Luffy is carrying it out.

Does that help?
That actually 100% clears up any difficulties I had hahaha. Interesting take! Luffy is kind of the embodiment of the Will of D in that regard. I like it!


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Judgement wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 10:27 pm
Luffy is kind of the embodiment of the Will of D in that regard.
Precisely what I was going for! Yes!

Also I’m glad I managed to clear things up. Thanks for the good questions! It helped me to better articulate things. ^_^

Glad you like it. Phew.


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Great read and upgraded for sure from the OPF version. I don't have anything to add to the theory itself since I liked the idea once you mentioned it in one of the long discussions. I do think the demonization is just "good" propaganda by the Tenryuubito to create negativity around anyone with the power to resist against them. Since a strong fruit ability immediately makes a weakling a legitimate threat, they do "fear" it and want it to disappear.


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Thu May 14, 2020 4:25 am
Great read and upgraded for sure from the OPF version. I don't have anything to add to the theory itself since I liked the idea once you mentioned it in one of the long discussions. I do think the demonization is just "good" propaganda by the Tenryuubito to create negativity around anyone with the power to resist against them. Since a strong fruit ability immediately makes a weakling a legitimate threat, they do "fear" it and want it to disappear.
Thanks for taking the time to look at it and respond. The demonization of the DF as propaganda is the same as any power—and as Luffy/the Will of D itself based on the actions of the Gorosei we’ve seen thus far. Actually, when they were gathered around Im and choosing someone to sacrifice, this reinforces my theory regarding the subversion of the power and mistreatment of its wielders. The constant worrying over Luffy’s bounty and actions, as well as those who’ve aided him in his endeavors with links to the Ancient Kingdom and that /those power sources are a threat because they move in purity and righteousness rather than ill intent. Im wouldn’t feel the need to sacrifice one in a “gladiatorial fight” for the “new era” if there wasn’t fear. They tried to stage the entire Marineford War to have them kill each other—the pirates and marines but it didn’t work out that way since it wasn’t fully their plan and their Pirates on leash weren’t strong enough though they got Whitebeard in the end with Blackbeard’s help and created a new monster. I’m just waking up so I think I lost my point in there somewhere... 😅


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Thu May 14, 2020 12:20 pm
Thanks for taking the time to look at it and respond. The demonization of the DF as propaganda is the same as any power—and as Luffy/the Will of D itself based on the actions of the Gorosei we’ve seen thus far. Actually, when they were gathered around Im and choosing someone to sacrifice, this reinforces my theory regarding the subversion of the power and mistreatment of its wielders. The constant worrying over Luffy’s bounty and actions, as well as those who’ve aided him in his endeavors with links to the Ancient Kingdom and that /those power sources are a threat because they move in purity and righteousness rather than ill intent. Im wouldn’t feel the need to sacrifice one in a “gladiatorial fight” for the “new era” if there wasn’t fear. They tried to stage the entire Marineford War to have them kill each other—the pirates and marines but it didn’t work out that way since it wasn’t fully their plan and their Pirates on leash weren’t strong enough though they got Whitebeard in the end with Blackbeard’s help and created a new monster. I’m just waking up so I think I lost my point in there somewhere... 😅
No no. Sounds like we’re on the same page. Because Im has specific people he/she is concerned about, it is confirmation that Luffy is on the right track to overthrow the Government. Blackbeard being second makes sense with all of his execs and fruit abilities. Vivi is because of both her alliance with Luffy and probably more importantly Pluton.


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So I started reading One Piece from the beginning and it came to me... there’s even more evidence for Luffy bring the Will bearer/incarnation of the Will of D. In the first arc, his actions which set the tons for the entire story, are subversive and for the true justice of the wronged people—Coby, oppressed by Alvida, the townspeople, Zoro. When faced with his confounding nature that flours convention and pushes justice in an almost wicked manner, tempting one to live on the edge, Zoro asks the question of him: are you the offspring of the devil?

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Remember how I said that the devil fruits and will of D were all related to Diana? Well if the lineage of D is the fact those “Devils” who were her high priests (those in charge of the distribution of the fruit and its justice), then this comment is a nod to his lineage and birthright.

Sorry, my mind wanders early in the morning.


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[mention]WeebyWitch[/mention] Doesn't Luffy use his Gomu Gomu abilities a page or two before that? That's why Coby is KO'ed from the shock. I assumed Zoro's comments are reflective of the Devil's Fruit rather than something else. I 100% agree with the implied themes and what not though.

Random question: what's the exact One Piece version you're reading? The artwork is different from Oda's...Because it's different, it really threw me off.


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