Woah...kk. I really think we need to follow this tangent. Aura visualization is basic since this is what Usopp awakens.
The big problem/contradiction in my mind is that the primary benefit/usage of mantra is the mind reading. Any mantra user knows what the opponent is going to do next...how is this different from foresight kenbunshoku? Mantra is foresight kenbunshoku PLUS area awareness, emotional/wellbeing tracking (Momo and Aisa knowing the emotional and physical status of people), and probably more stuff too.
We are not shown what happens in the brain of a mantra user, but I expect it to be the exact same as foresight kenbunshoku.
Hopefully the above addresses this. I see a jump to "advanced" with mantra. So if "advanced" is foresight kenbunshoku, by definition mantra has to be in the same category. If we are going with a spectrum, mantra is slightly higher than foresight kenbunshoku, but it is definitely in the same category (and below whatever new thing Oda has in mind soon).Yuuzume wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:03 amWell, I don't disagree with you connecting it with eye blackening of course. But as I'm categorizing kenbunshoku into mantra and foresight instead, I personally attribute it to mantra. Admittedly, like I say above, I think it'll be akin to something of an "advanced" version of mantra. I doubt the distinction will be as clear cut as it was with foresight but based on the effects, it sounds like an advanced application of mantra to me.
Big picture. The entire plot (literally). Oda literally only shows new powers once the Mugiwara crew is involved. Moreover, he keeps all enemies compartmentalized for their relevance to that point in the plot. This is 100% contradicted by the difference between Yonkou/admiral level being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above EVERYONE else. Enel 100% cannot be the absolute peak of brain capacity. That literally contradicts Oda's style.Yuuzume wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:03 amI don't see what his bounty has to do with anything to be honest. After he ate his devil fruit, he had one of the best, if not THE best, at processing information. The only one who could possibly rival him in that would be, contrary to his speech patterns, Kizaru. His light fruit reminds me a bit of Heike from Code Breaker, who had similar abilities and whose brain was basically a supercomputer. In any case, that ability came about due to his devil fruit, not his skill level in any other area. I do think he could have managed to raise his bounty if he had continued adventuring and wrecking havoc (not by much though, admittedly) but role playing as god at Skypiea seems to have put a stop to his adventures. It's not quite the same as the Shichibukai but in a sense, his bounty also "froze" the moment he stopped adventuring and bothering people under the world government's / Marine's protection (since I don't think their juristiction extends to sky islands, or at the very least to Skypiea).
Anyway, his bounty doesn't really matter since it essentially froze but compared to others, he really is a weakling in general. That doesn't affect his ability to process information in any way though.
Even when a Yonkou or admiral is presented in the plot, we don't see them fighting seriously. Even Whitebeard and Shanks clashing is nothing more than a friendly hello. Roger and Whitebeard is probably going to be this as well.
Enel is pretty dumb (and this is coming from an Eminem fan). He is overly dependent on his mantra and doesn't have much plans/strategy. ALL the Yonkou have shown dramatically greater strategy, which directly reflects greater information processing. Enel is only playing checkers with Yonkou showing they are playing chess.
I'm reading a devil fruit bias with Enel and Kizaru. This does overlap with shown usages like Doffy sewing his damage from Gamma Knife back together. But I'm biased to say that only comes with mastery of one's fruit abilities or maybe only with an awakening. I 100% do not disagree with the concept behind what you are saying. I'm saying Enel does not display usage of a "super brain" outside of his mantra talent. How does this explain Aisa? She has the EXACT same range as Enel without any electricity benefit. Talent is talent and Enel would have to display a second or third aspect of analysis, capability, strategy, etc. if he were actually using the fruit ability to boost his mantra range...which now makes Aisa even more superhuman. I have to think this bridges this aspect.
I think you are making Blackbeard's plan too small. Only gathering 9 other fruit abilities isn't much of an ability hunt. The two main options in my mind is that Oda is going to allow Blackbeard infinite abilities or he is having the "Kaidou plan". Blackbeard presumably has stronger underlings (more notoriety from the world seeing he has the two strongest fruit abilities) and he is gathering fruit abilities that are all above zoan abilities (which already is an upgrade over SMILE). The one exception is Shiryuu's ability and I HAVE to think you agree basic kenbunshoku makes this ability 100% useless.Yuuzume wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:03 amTakes away an arm to fight with? They'd carry the body after killing them so why would they be fighting? If they managed to kill their target, that'd be "mission accomplished, waiting for extraction" right there. They'd only need to flee, not fight.
Because they all would have to return to their base after one person? Well yeah, how many should they kill? Each person can only have one devil fruit ability so they'd run after killing their target. Why bother killing 2 people when you can only have 1 ability? Even if it was for another crewmate, I don't see Teach's crew as the sort who'd risk their lives or even take such risks for one another. So each person kills the user with the ability they want and take them back to Teach. That seems feasible to me.
The entire plot shows that the strongest fruit abilities are concentrated in the New World. Contextually even the gomu gomu no mi was stolen in the New World (Shanks is already Yonkou level per Oda just in case). It is NOT a contradiction that devil fruits are extremely rare in all the Blues, but common place in the Grand Line, and especially in the New World.Yuuzume wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:03 amOkay, question. Why would one have to kill new world powerhouses? I mean, even if we assume that those are the only targets, there are still people like Kaido and Big Mom who could easily hunt them. Actually, Kaido could have easily taken Hawkins', Apoo's and Kid's fruits if stealing them was so easy. Or rather, forget them. Kaido could have even stolen Toki's devil fruit ability. So no, I don't think it's that simple. But let me circle back to my question. Why are new world powerhouses the only possible targets? There are weakling devil fruit users that many people could hunt. How hard do you think it would have been for anyone to have hunted down Wapol to get their hands on the Wapometal (or whatever it would have been called if Wapol had been hunted down). What about any executive from Baroque Works? I'd say they'd be easy prey as well. Many people could go on an ability hunt but the most likely canditate isn't any lone pirate crew, it's the world government. In any case, I think that if stealing abilites was so simple, many people could have and would have become devil fruit hunters.
Context implies Toki isn't dead. Even overlooking this aspect, Oda tried to cover this up by making Kaidou think Toki's abilities are not real until the current plot time and Orochi gets confirmation that some of the Scabbards were sent forward in the future.
Excluding Kid (who was meant to be mentally broken and forced into being an underling anyway), why would Kaidou kill an underling who is stronger than any Waiter? Kid, Apoo, and Hawkins are all stronger than any Waiter, even without their fruit abilities. IF Kaidou had a stronger Waiter, then your thought process makes sense.
I feel I adequately addressed the question and can expand as needed...but this makes me want to use my tag @Yuuzume how do you explain what we are shown on Punk Hazard with whatever Caesar's pet's name was? If you don't think it is that simple, why did Oda show us that? How does it work then?
Just in case: plot armor comes to mind as to why there aren't people abusing this loophole more. And per the above, even the Kaidou examples are all fully explained by the Waiters being too weak. All the Tobi Roppou are former captains/former CP9 with Who's Who so they all have their own fruit abilities already. This is why they have their rank. This is why Apoo is given a rank above Gifters.
REALLY?! Wapol?!?! That gets a c'mon from me. Unless he is eating nothing but weapons made by Wano Kuni craftsman, his fruit ability is quite weak. He is a relatively strong person and this does match his oversized human size.
Who among Baroque Works had a powerhouse fruit ability? Even Mr. 1 doesn't seem like top 25, maybe even top 50ish fruit abilities. Actually it probably is over 50 with all the logia we have already. This ties to the Enel discussion. Everyone is always in the perfect point to match the current levels of the Mugiwara crew. There has been a steady increase in combat capabilities, and Oda has previously properly shown us how big the gap to Yonkou/admiral level is. So if anything, fruit abilities have a SIMILAR jump.
Oh...maybe I'm missing a major potential bridge...it was stated that Blackbeard was only after the BEST abilities. This is why Shiryuu is such a stupid and B.S. joke. It makes Zoro's fight anticlimactic. The goal is to power up his crew maximally. They have zero concern over weak abilities (with the exception of the suke suke abilities). This is only strong if aura visualization does not exist...but it does.
Glad I used my tag...I'm quite curious now. Even without the answer: plot armor. And Oda already has astronomically more breadcrumbs already in place to explain what you asked about.
Back to the blind Oda faith (until the next B.S. of course).