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So... Nami/Usopp trying to put Big Mom and Ulti against each other but getting told by each of them “shut up, you’re next” was priceless. Also, Ulti lost any and all points she had as soon as she hit a child for no reason. Suddenly Nami and O-Lin are about to go to town on her. If Zeus shows up too, it’s going to be an all out weather attack on her. Hera and Zeus in action would be epic as long as Big Mom doesn’t get distracted by his betrayal...

There was other stuff but this was the big thing that had my attention mostly because it was the end.

I was pretty stoked at the notion of Perospero getting his just desserts though!! Looking forward to seeing that happen for sure.


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As usual amazing discussion guys, Love it.

However, I am quite not able to understand the "Mr. Prince" Thingy can someone explain?


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Kaizoku Gari wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 10:49 pm
As usual amazing discussion guys, Love it.

However, I am quite not able to understand the "Mr. Prince" Thingy can someone explain?

I think @seiryu was using it as a term to describe a “cool Sanji moment”, so that’s what I did too


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Great chapter and loved that motherly loved shone here in time for Mother's day. ❤️

Wonder if there are more shocking stuff in that notebook that we haven't seen yet. Maybe Oden has some special message for his children in there that will move Momo further that will turn the tides or something.

And Sanji catching Zoro and Law was funny xD but Zeus scurrying off when he heard Nami's name was weird. Anyways, Sanji and Zoro together is always fun. The bandaging was just right for Zoro but super hilarious. Chopper will probably take care of Zoro once they get down there but hopefully we get some Chopper fight scenes before he goes to doctor mode again, as you guys said doubt Zoro will be 100% to fight but he'll probably still fight after a bit of rest (and some sake maybe), hopefully most big names on the floor are either injured or tired already.

Nami being mad and is ready to take down the enemy is gonna be awesome, she might wreck that place up. Kinda feel this will make BM a bit cooperative with her, they have the same emotions at the moment. Maybe only until Ulti is down. BM's mood swings are really unpredictable after all. But I see it happening. I also feel Page one's also coming back, that will be Usopp's fight.

Now that the pairing off to fight for the Strawhat's almost done, I think Sanji and Jimbei is the one's left right? Wonder where Law is also going off to? Where are the Law pirates btw? XD


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First off - Ryuo is just the term Wano people use to describe "Haki", so yes Zoro had Ryuo coming out of the timeskip. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji all did.
Yes, I know that Ryuo is the name that the people of Wano use to describe haki, I get it ok, jeez. You can't even imagine how tired I am by telling everyone that I know about it, at this point all active one piece fans know about it.

What I meant was the "flowing haki," unfortunately there's no official name for it, so I use the name by which it was described in Wano.
On what grounds?
On the grounds that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji's specialty is CoC, CoA and CoO accordingly. Throughout the post-timskip it has been even more fleshed out by Sanji who managed to avoid Katakuri's jelly beam, Zoro who managed to cut steel in "Alabasta, Fishman island and Pank hazard" which requires Ryou [flowing haki] to do that, Luffy who has been actively using CoC since Fishman island. Oda himself has confirmed it in SBS, saying that "Luffy's specialty is conqueror's haki, Zoro's specialty is armoment haki and Sanji's specialty is observation haki." Based on that I truly believe that Sanji has advanced CoO, Zoro has advanced CoA and Luffy obviously has advanced CoC.
You think pre-Enma Zoro would be able to take down Katakuri with Future Sight?
Zoro fans claim that Enma isn't a power up, although I don't really agree with them, I don't blame them ether. The problem is, is that Enma hasn't shown anything that Zoro couldn't do without it: originally it was said that Enma forcefully releases excessive amount of haki, but since Zoro tamed the blade we haven't seen him using excessive amount of haki even against Kaido and Big Mom. When an Enma user uses excessive amount of haki, his body or "at the very least parts of his body" shrinks in size because the blade sucks the user's life force/haki, but after Zoro tamed Enma it never happened again.

If there isn't any concrete evidence that Enma has enhanced Zoro in some way, shape or form, then based on the things that are as of right now, with evidence that we have today, and the things that we know in this particular moment, then I have to conclude: that yes, pre-Enma Zoro can defeat Katakuri. If Oda shows what Enma has given to Zoro in the same way he's done it with Sanji's raid suit, then I would change my mind, but now I have to agree with Zoro fans.
Okay this really confuses me. On what grounds would you be able to say that, for example, Mr. 1 was weaker than Zoro BEFORE they fought? The reason we can say "oh Zoro is stronger than them" is because he defeated them. Before the fight, it's anybody's guess. And actually, Zoro could not cut Mr. 1 until the final moments of the fight.
Mr.1 couldn't ko Zoro with so many attacks, the entire fight was Zoro enduring Mr.1 attacks, the dude had very, very weak offensive power compared to Zoro who literally oneshoted him. Like honestly, as soon as Zoro awakened Ryou he oneshoted him, Mr.1 couldn't take even one attack from Zoro when Zoro managed to endure all of his attacks.
This massively underestimates the growth Zoro has gone through in Wano alone. He's spent most of the arc fighting and training, and he's also been given Enma which has increased his destructive capability by a lot. He's significantly stronger now than he was at Return to Sabaody.
I've already said what I think about Enma, so I'm not going to reapet myself here.
Also, we haven't really seen that much of King's combat capability yet, so we don't actually know how strong he is yet. It's definitely too early to write him off.
Zoro is already badly injured, that by itself means that King isn't strong enough to push healthy Zoro to his limits.
This statement vastly overestimates the power gap between Yonko and Yonko exec, and also vastly overestimates Zoro's current level. It also underestimates the combat capability of Yonko execs. Zoro damaging Kaido doesn't immediately mean he's at Kaido's level and stronger than the rest of his (Kaido's) crew.
the fact that already injured Zoro will defeat King means that Zoro is stronger than King.
Also, bear in mind that Zoro's end goal isn't to take down the strongest right hand men - it's to take down the World's Strongest Swordsman (Mihawk). Theoretically, he should surpass most of the Yonko execs based on that.
Of course he should, but not now! Zoro should surpass Yonko execs in the fight against Blackbeard. Blackbeard's crew is going to be the strongest Yonko crew and that's when Luffy's crew will surpasse Blackbeard's crew.

I just don't get why Zoro fans wanted him to fight against Kaido, why the fu*k it was important for them, for what fu*king reason???


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miss_SMP wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:40 am
Wonder if there are more shocking stuff in that notebook that we haven't seen yet. Maybe Oden has some special message for his children in there that will move Momo further that will turn the tides or something.

I think there’s definitely something in it for Momo since he’s Oden’s “heir”. Not only will he learn the secrets of the world (if Oden actually wrote them all down in there word for word), but it should also inspire him to act - both now and in the future. I think he’s got a role to play in this arc, and that book should give him some inspiration.

miss_SMP wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 2:40 am
Now that the pairing off to fight for the Strawhat's almost done, I think Sanji and Jimbei is the one's left right?

Jinbe is fighting Who’s Who

Raymond Redington wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 5:36 pm
Zoro fans claim that Enma isn't a power up, although I don't really agree with them, I don't blame them ether. The problem is, is that Enma hasn't shown anything that Zoro couldn't do without it: originally it was said that Enma forcefully releases excessive amount of haki, but since Zoro tamed the blade we haven't seen him using excessive amount of haki even against Kaido and Big Mom. When an Enma user uses excessive amount of haki, his body or "at the very least parts of his body" shrinks in size because the blade sucks the user's life force/haki, but after Zoro tamed Enma it never happened again.

Do you not see the massive difference in destructive capability now he has Enma? He’s slashed mountains, and he also cut the horn off the top of Onigashima. No way he’s doing that so easily with Shusui.

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Tue May 11, 2021 5:36 pm
Zoro is already badly injured, that by itself means that King isn't strong enough to push healthy Zoro to his limits.

Again, we’re making assumptions about a character who hasn’t really fought yet. It could end up being a completely even fight for all we know.


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Do you not see the massive difference in destructive capability now he has Enma? He’s slashed mountains, and he also cut the horn off the top of Onigashima. No way he’s doing that so easily with Shusui.
it wasn't a mountain but the cliff in Wano, and that was untamed Enma. Since Zoro tamed Enma it hasn't done anything crazy or over the top things, after Zoro tamed Enma it has become a regular sword, it doesn't drain Zoro's haki any more. In order to cut that cliff –which wasn't that much big–Zoro's arm was drained from all of its haki/life force, Zoro is not going to do that in a the middle of the fight, Zoro is not going to drain his entire body from haki otherwise he would run out of it like Luffy in gear 4th form. You don't need Enma to use excessive amounts of haki, Luffy has been doing it without Enma since Dressrosa. it has never been stated that you can't use excessive amounts of haki without Enma, as matter of fact Luffy's gear 4th is the greatest case against that.

We've seen Zoro easily cutting big things without Enma, like for example Pica.
I'm not going to measure the exact size of Pica and Onigashima's horn because Oda is very inconsistent with sizes, but, both Pica and Onigashima's horn are big, and Zoro has shown to be able to cut big things without Enma and with it.

It is so easy to dismiss Zoro fans because they're such a RADICAL bunch and they often say crazy stuff, but I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible, and I think they're right this time. Again, I'm sorry but I have to agree with Zoro fans as long as Oda hasn't shown a concrete evidence of what Enma has added to Zoro's arsenal, just like he did with the raid suit. In case of Sanji's raid suit Oda has clearly explained its full capabilities unlike Enma. We for sure know that raid suit: gives Sanji armor, it makes him invisible, it allows him to fly and levitate, it significantly increases his speed; those are significant upgrades to Sanji's capabilities.
Again, we’re making assumptions about a character who hasn’t really fought yet. It could end up being a completely even fight for all we know.
how can it be an even fight when Zoro is deadly injured???


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Raymond Redington wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 12:15 pm
What's the point of King's existence? Like honestly, if injured Zoro defeats King then king is a complete s*it and there's no point for his existence. Considering how much Oda likes having injured Zoro to fight someone, I'm sure that injured Zoro will eventually one shot King so that Oda can show Zoro's supremacy over all YCs, it will also once and for all confirm that Zoro came out of timskip WAY stronger than Luffy. Ether way King is useless as a character, even if Marco uses his flame to heal Zoro he will not be able to fully heal him. So eventually Zoro will defeat a fu*king YC1 by being badly injured, holly s*it!

It was an insane mistake on Oda's part to have Zoro in that rooftop, ether in Oda's mind Zoro is too strong for mere YC1 ether he simply had no idea what he was doing.
I'm biased to say Oda is going back to the essence of the original plan (i.e. we still have not had the real tragedy yet). Thus, I don't think any of these are the actual climax fights. Luffy losing makes everything go into absolute chaos and simply surviving becomes something close to impossible. Everyone has to focus on trying to escape and the alliance failing becomes the biggest tragedy of the arc.

I will 100% agree that Zoro is now being made to be much higher than a YC1 (good thing I play fantasy sports since that is probably a great way to rank the power levels). That's just unfortunate B.S. (I call the unnecessary levels of sword bias to be B.S. since it is WAAAAAAAYYY bigger than almost anything since it gives huge offensive and defensive boosts) that results from Oda actually considering having Kaidou defeated without multiple huge power ups.
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Mon May 10, 2021 1:00 pm
Love how Nami was trying to appeal to Big Mom and Big Mom went "I'm coming after you next".
Yup! And for the plot purposes, Ulti had to do the same so that Nami does have to fight her way out (and Tama will negate Big Mom enough).
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Mon May 10, 2021 1:33 pm
I imagine Jinbe will be staying with Who’s Who for the arc? There’s implied history between them and Who’s Who is a “stronger” F6 member so it makes sense.

Very excited for a Mr Prince moment, though. Everything is set up...
The original context of "Shichibukai" vs. the necessary contradictions from Croc and Moria being defeated (Moria having haki in the anime when fighting Kaidou puts things in real perspective) is probably the biggest factor. AHHHH! The Shichibukai ALONE are the third balance of power factor (the entire Marine/Government plus Shichibukai roughly equals all Yonkou and all other pirates in the entirety of the Grand Line). A Shichibukai is supposed to be able to take on Yonkou execs for breakfast.
Marco Polo wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 1:33 pm
Marco and Chopper are currently down there (though I imagine Marco will tag out once Sanji arrives), plus we have Izo and Kawamatsu there for support too. Even if King and Queen are mostly unharmed, the Straw Hat Alliance has the numbers advantage (for once).
The context is injury/fatigue. Worst case scenario is that Marco is close to empty. All of these match ups necessitate King or Queen to take on two or more people outside of Sanji. Even Sanji has taken on some damage, although none should be that significant. Even Law has already used large Rooms multiple times, so unless he has significantly increased his fruit energy, he's pretty close to what we've been shown in all of Dressrosa.
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Mon May 10, 2021 1:33 pm
I think the only question marks now are Denjiro (i don’t remember seeing him), whether Kidd/Law vs. Big Mom happens (though I’m inclined to say it will), and whether or not Big Mom’s crew make it up to Wano.
Everyone is shown in the panel before the Oden twist. Off the top of my head, he has not been shown since. He should have loyalty of his immediate subordinates, so maybe that's what he's doing? Either way, he's always taken on the "dirty work/behind the scenes work", so some sort of beneficial twist is safe to assume.
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Mon May 10, 2021 7:55 pm
I was pretty stoked at the notion of Perospero getting his just desserts though!! Looking forward to seeing that happen for sure.
Yes, especially since Perospero should have used up significant chunks of his energy/stamina to fight off Carrot and Wanda. Context implies Nekomamushi is going to have a pretty easy fight even all the damage he's taken.
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Mon May 10, 2021 10:49 pm
However, I am quite not able to understand the "Mr. Prince" Thingy can someone explain?
Glad you are enjoying! To further elaborate on what Marco posted, just in case, I view it as a plot shifting twist. For both Alabasta and Impel Down, Sanji is able to change the entire arc from negative to positive by a key and behind the scenes action. Jinbei contextually needs to be made as a part of the crew nakama. Others have mentioned how Oda is forcing this upon us smartly by having every crew nakama viewing Jinbei as the reliable "oyabun" that they all gravitate to. If they all love him, we should love him too. I think a "Mr. Prince" moment can close to universally make Jinbei respected among the fans as a crew nakama.
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Tue May 11, 2021 2:40 am
Wonder if there are more shocking stuff in that notebook that we haven't seen yet. Maybe Oden has some special message for his children in there that will move Momo further that will turn the tides or something.
I never thought of that aspect, so I hope so!
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Tue May 11, 2021 2:40 am
And Sanji catching Zoro and Law was funny xD but Zeus scurrying off when he heard Nami's name was weird.
I think the reaction has most to do with Nami making him her slave. Although context implies Zues will be dumped by Big Mom, so Nami will likely be the "rebound relationship".
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Tue May 11, 2021 2:40 am
Now that the pairing off to fight for the Strawhat's almost done, I think Sanji and Jimbei is the one's left right? Wonder where Law is also going off to? Where are the Law pirates btw? XD
Jinbei is iffy/50-50 since I'm biased to say he shouldn't have any problem with Who's Who. Law presumably is going to check up on his crew and context implies they are in the main hall too. They were shown among the pincer attack parties (I forget which one though), but everyone ended up in the banquet hall and Oda only showed enemies leaving the broken entry door.


Back to the blind Oda faith (until the next B.S. of course).
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Thu May 13, 2021 3:17 am
I'm biased to say Oda is going back to the essence of the original plan (i.e. we still have not had the real tragedy yet). Thus, I don't think any of these are the actual climax fights. Luffy losing makes everything go into absolute chaos and simply surviving becomes something close to impossible. Everyone has to focus on trying to escape and the alliance failing becomes the biggest tragedy of the arc.

Do you think Luffy loses to Kaido once more before the “real” final fights, then? I guess that would explain why he’s sending Yamato to the roof, right?

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The original context of "Shichibukai" vs. the necessary contradictions from Croc and Moria being defeated (Moria having haki in the anime when fighting Kaidou puts things in real perspective) is probably the biggest factor. AHHHH! The Shichibukai ALONE are the third balance of power factor (the entire Marine/Government plus Shichibukai roughly equals all Yonkou and all other pirates in the entirety of the Grand Line). A Shichibukai is supposed to be able to take on Yonkou execs for breakfast.

Do you think Jinbe moves and fights Jack/Queen/King then?


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Marco Polo wrote:
Fri May 14, 2021 1:24 am
Do you think Luffy loses to Kaido once more before the “real” final fights, then? I guess that would explain why he’s sending Yamato to the roof, right?

...

Do you think Jinbe moves and fights Jack/Queen/King then?
First off, I'm definitely surprised it came this fast but the "absolute chaos" aspect is most applicable. Everyone has to focus on survival/potential escapes. Since Onigashima is still quite high up, flying/Luffy's rubber-man (immune to physical attacks/impacts) is pretty much the only ways to get away safely. Ah forgot about Shinobu.

So even for Jinbei, the Mr. Prince twist is probably necessary to delay the enemies/create an escape path. This changes from my previous assumption of trying to shift the tides of the war (something similar to Tama's plan).


Back to the blind Oda faith (until the next B.S. of course).
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