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Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:58 am
I think Eren could only manipulate titans and titan shifters? .-.
Eren is confirmed to have partial if not potentially full access to the magic (I'm biased to think it is not full access). The confirmation is that just normal Eldians (all of his friends) have their memories erased of Eren's goodbye conversation with them. Ah, I just realized, maybe Sasha dies with a smile on her face because Eren makes it so that she knows the ending ahead of time! It automatically reverts upon his dying, but he has full control of when he wants it to be undone otherwise. So Eren can affect all descendants of Ymir in theory. At the very least, he can affect all of his friends.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:58 am
That. That wasn't motivation. That was friggin childhood going on adulthood T R A U M A.
The day when I watched the 1st episode for the very first time, I was terrified. After mom came home from work in the evening, I was like "MOM STAY WITH ME!!! DON'T GET EATEN BY A TITAN!!" (Needless to say my mom was veeery confused)
Wait, wait. This is why the entire series is complicated. Eren as a child now has knowledge of Eren as an adult. He only has the reaction shown and the reactions you are conveying the first time (of the potential 600 something repeats). Even if there are no repeats, the timeline we are shown is Eren having memories of all of his life experiences. He is mentally an adult and knows the "necessary sacrifice". He isn't seeing it as only in the moment. This is why messing with the space-time continuum is usually a bad choice, but Isayama did a masterful job.

Essentially, everything makes sense because we are never shown the conflict, panic attacks, and breakdowns Eren goes through. We only see him when he is mentally calm and able to literally put on a fake act. This becomes more clear when he invades Marley, but literally his entire life is just a fake act to throw everyone off his real intention.

So technically, only part of the cake broke off/slipped off. The vast majority of the series still fits perfectly together. The most important part got rushed though. It isn't as bad as it appears though. So that's probably my main point here. The whole space-time continuum makes it complex, but Eren literally tricked us all. So even when we knew the full potential of his powers, he had all the fans tricked too.



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Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:42 pm
Essentially, everything makes sense because we are never shown the conflict, panic attacks, and breakdowns Eren goes through.
I think it would be better to see those parts as well. When we saw him talking to himself in the cell and then having a row with Hange, it didn't convey the entire pain he was going through. I have read several comments that said something along the lines of "gah Eren is such an idiot, how could he act that way with Hange" blahblahblah. The readers/viewers should have gotten a clearer glimpse at Eren's pain. We weren't given that and that's why now readers are like "what? just another love story? oh c'mon". Out of my 5 IRL friends who read the manga, only one agrees with me that it really is so much more.


 
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:47 am
I think it would be better to see those parts as well. When we saw him talking to himself in the cell and then having a row with Hange, it didn't convey the entire pain he was going through. I have read several comments that said something along the lines of "gah Eren is such an idiot, how could he act that way with Hange" blahblahblah. The readers/viewers should have gotten a clearer glimpse at Eren's pain. We weren't given that and that's why now readers are like "what? just another love story? oh c'mon". Out of my 5 IRL friends who read the manga, only one agrees with me that it really is so much more.
Oh, 100% on things being rushed this past half a year or so (or whenever the announcements to end the series started coming out). Realistically, it should have taken at least twice as long to have things thoroughly covered and connected. All of the loose ends in the final chapter, smoother transitions for most if not all of the major twists, etc. all would be up to normal Isayama standards with more time.

No one questions the vast majority of the plot and twists because there is zero room to do so. The people making those sort of comments on Eren are missing the whole new point of him living multiple lives/perspectives. He tops Reiner because he has a role/perspective as pro-Ymir. Gaining access to the powers and her memories further changes him and adds a new layer of complexity.

Similarly, your friends and pretty much all of us all desired a better ending since it is not up to Isayama's normal standards. I would personally be super curious as to what led to the decision to speed up everything. If Isayama had some sort of personal reason, I would fully accept and understand that. It is impossible for it to have come from the publishing company. Shingeki is their flagship series, so dragging it out even at the cost of connectivity, is their preference. Those are the major parties that can make the decision, so it is just depressing when something has sooooooo much potential but just falls flat. It is definitely more of the norm, which is why the few gems that have a perfect ending need to be kept and cherished.



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I wonder if the anime will have additional things to avoid the "rushed" feeling. I sure hope so :<[/spoil]


 
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negatibuhige wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 11:18 am
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I wonder if the anime will have additional things to avoid the "rushed" feeling. I sure hope so :<[/spoil]

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I hope so! The anime team has surprised me with the pacing being excellent. Although I have to admit that I am not paying attention at all to the anime episode to manga chapter ratios.

Especially since the ending is a very short amount of time, there could be massive expansion since all it takes is a second or two to show visual clarifications.


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Tue May 04, 2021 3:18 am
The anime team has surprised me with the pacing being excellent. Although I have to admit that I am not paying attention at all to the anime episode to manga chapter ratios.
Me neither .-. But yeah, as you said, the pacing was really great and let me take in everything that happened without feeling "wait, how- why? eeeehhhh?"

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Especially since the ending is a very short amount of time, there could be massive expansion since all it takes is a second or two to show visual clarifications.
Same. Also, the bgm and voice acting will have a major role in delivering the emotions of the characters, which we can't get in the manga. That is one major reason why I stopped reading the manga around the time of Eren obtaining the Warhammer Titan. I felt that it would be just soooooooooooooooooooooooo much more impactful in the anime, and I wasn't disappointed. Given Mappa's performance in both Shingeki no Kyoujin and Jujutsu Kaisen, I'd say we can hope for a good final arc.


 
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Tue May 04, 2021 3:18 am
The anime team has surprised me with the pacing being excellent. Although I have to admit that I am not paying attention at all to the anime episode to manga chapter ratios.
Me neither .-. But yeah, as you said, the pacing was really great and let me take in everything that happened without feeling "wait, how- why? eeeehhhh?"

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Especially since the ending is a very short amount of time, there could be massive expansion since all it takes is a second or two to show visual clarifications.
Same. Also, the bgm and voice acting will have a major role in delivering the emotions of the characters, which we can't get in the manga. That is one major reason why I stopped reading the manga around the time of Eren obtaining the Warhammer Titan. I felt that it would be just soooooooooooooooooooooooo much more impactful in the anime, and I wasn't disappointed. Given Mappa's performance in both Shingeki no Kyoujin and Jujutsu Kaisen, I'd say we can hope for a good final arc.

Yes! Now that I analyzed the ending, the outline/core for a good ending is definitely there. Anime episodes expanding and especially having special content is quite rare, but then again I don't follow as many serializations as I had in the past. Hopefully Isayama dedicates the time to be a part of the animation teams so that they can create anime only content to fill in the gaps.



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Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:23 pm
Similarly, your friends and pretty much all of us all desired a better ending since it is not up to Isayama's normal standards. I would personally be super curious as to what led to the decision to speed up everything. If Isayama had some sort of personal reason, I would fully accept and understand that. It is impossible for it to have come from the publishing company. Shingeki is their flagship series, so dragging it out even at the cost of connectivity, is their preference. Those are the major parties that can make the decision, so it is just depressing when something has sooooooo much potential but just falls flat. It is definitely more of the norm, which is why the few gems that have a perfect ending need to be kept and cherished.
I honestly have no idea if they rushed it or not, but like you said above, it is unlikely, considering this is a massively popular work that collects a fortune from all over the world. So, this is just an assumption based on my experience as a writer (just a mere theory from my part lol), there might just be a tiny possibility that Isayama had written the ending first (since he said in his interviews that he had already set the ending and it never changed) and developed and expanded the built-up and all the incidents before that only after he'd done the ending. There are times when writers do this, although personally I don't like doing it this way. It's hard to explain it in details since that requires a lot of writing talks lol, but well, again, it's just an assumption and it might not be the case at all.

And like I've said before, I do think SnK is great overall. But if you want to ask me about the few last chapters, then no, I wouldn't give them a high score.


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I honestly have no idea if they rushed it or not, but like you said above, it is unlikely, considering this is a massively popular work that collects a fortune from all over the world. So, this is just an assumption based on my experience as a writer (just a mere theory from my part lol), there might just be a tiny possibility that Isayama had written the ending first (since he said in his interviews that he had already set the ending and it never changed) and developed and expanded the built-up and all the incidents before that only after he'd done the ending. There are times when writers do this, although personally I don't like doing it this way. It's hard to explain it in details since that requires a lot of writing talks lol, but well, again, it's just an assumption and it might not be the case at all.

And like I've said before, I do think SnK is great overall. But if you want to ask me about the few last chapters, then no, I wouldn't give them a high score.

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Just in case, the recent comments with Hige make me super optimistic that the anime can "bridge the gaps" and make it a fulfilling ending. Were you paying attention to the number of chapters per each anime episode? I'm almost certain someone here did it once for this season.

But I definitely 100% agree that the "easy parts" are to have a start and end to any form of a plot. The literary perfection comes from maintaining maximal levels of connectivity and believability throughout all of the middle. Since well over 95% of the content for Shingeki is excellently connected (I don't know the total number of chapters, but my gut estimate probably puts even the chapter based percentage close to 98%), it should only take minor additions/expansions to make a fulfilling ending.

I truly think the outline is there. It just "feels rushed" and I think we all agree on this. And more importantly, there is astronomical potential because of the 98+% of literary perfection.



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