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This was a really fun chapter!

The way that Senku, Xeno and eventually Chrome collaborate and share information to come out with the result they do is probably the best representation of “real-life” science that we’ve seen from the series so far. Also, it’s good that they mention replicability, because again that’s one of the key parts of any scientific study.

I could relate to Chrome listening to Senku and Xeno talk, though. Reminded me of listening to the conversations with my uni project supervisors last year 😅


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I love seeing all the science boys get together and discuss science! They looked so enthusiastic~ and I love the smug bastard aura that Dr. Xeno adds to all of this!


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This was a "stereotypical Dr. Stone" science chapter to me. They experimentation and especially the calculations are 100% legit, but making the hard work/difficult topics of science look fun/look like they are only playing with bubbles is the overall theme I think Inagaki wants for his series.

A huge plot point was Xeno being able to treat Senku as an equal, and surprisingly, accepting Chrome too. Part of this is Chrome sparking the next progression of their calculations but we are seeing the "softening" of Xeno's elitism.

So I hope there is some other twist other than just finding the origin of the mass petrification.

All of the science on the physics of the wave having unique mechanics feels like a huge breadcrumb, but it probably is something way down the line. Either way, this upcoming arc is going to have huge short term and long term implications so things are looking great!


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A huge plot point was Xeno being able to treat Senku as an equal, and surprisingly, accepting Chrome too. Part of this is Chrome sparking the next progression of their calculations but we are seeing the "softening" of Xeno's elitism.
Yeah, it was lit of Dr. Xeno to accept Chrome (didn't expect that, but I guess in the end, even dickhead scientists love science discussion with new partners).


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Ah, so discussing with @angellucy, something pretty big came up.

So the manga team potentially skipped over a huge point. A big confirmation of their ongoing theory of how Medusa works and trying to pinpoint the source of origin is that the Medusa wave cannot travel into space. Copy pasting:

It is not mentioned in the text, but a major point of the experimentation was to prove that normal mechanics of Medusa should hit the ISS. This is shown in the initial panels of someone making a bubble that has South America as the epicenter. Thus, the luminescence theory is already proven/confirmed. So, actually, this is a huge point that should have had at least a panel to explain since it can be assumed by scientists/analyzing the visualizations of the bubbles and scaling where the ISS relative to their Earth model.

Unless I completely missed text/speech bubbles someplace, we only get the visual and they move on with the rest of the experimentation and calculations.

It is built in plot armor where if it did operate like light and had a set diameter, the ISS would have been affected. So it is indirectly implied with Senku's comment on how the ISS was travelling fast enough to pass over different parts of the world.

So this is probably the missing key breadcrumb I missed earlier in that in small radiuses, Medusa will act like light and just shoot out. However, the slight delay from Treasure Island and why everyone was evenly spaced out is the previous foreshadowing of the luminescence theory (I don't remember enough physics to know if this is the best term for what's going on scientifically). Tangent: in my mind, I see Medusa more as a wave rather than light. Light can be "bent" and affected by other variables, but to a much lesser extent. The Medusa waves being visible "sound waves" can help bridge the gap of how it has to spread around the surface of the earth rather than going straight through and hitting Senku and Xeno faster than their memorized times.

This is HUGE because even without breaking down the actual technology, a "Medusa shield" can be created before even going to space. They might never get the technology to charge the Medusa they have, so this is why this chapter felt like such a big deal. This is also probably why the exact step by step science isn't fully explained. Knowing how it works guarantees that a counter can be created. Negating the threat of Medusa makes Why-man almost a non-threat at all.


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I copied part of my post from chapter 170 thread bellow, so I might reply only to a part of your theory, but what you wrote sounds interesting! I personally think this chapter might have proven there are various ways of how can human be petrified. Medusa doesn't have to use the same method of petrification as was shown at the start of the series. At least according to the progress of spread, it doesn't seem so. Medusa spreads into a sphere from the centre, in a symmetrical way. The first apocalyptic beam spread equally, step by step till it engulfed the whole Earth surface, there was no sphere of a beam, but sort of a luminous "wave". This wave was approaching like tsunami (tsunami of luminous substance) rather than sound. So Medusa may be sth completely different. I so love this fantastic science of Dr. Stone universe <3

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It is not mentioned in the text, but a major point of the experimentation was to prove that normal mechanics of Medusa should hit the ISS. This is shown in the initial panels of someone making a bubble that has South America as the epicenter. Thus, the luminescence theory is already proven/confirmed. So, actually, this is a huge point that should have had at least a panel to explain since it can be assumed by scientists/analyzing the visualizations of the bubbles and scaling where the ISS relative to their Earth model.
I know it is proven, I just found it very interesting and was surprised by how nicely they thought this chap' through :)

To "sum up" what they discovered in just this chapter :brook: Xeno and Senku calculated from which direction and how long did it take till the petrification beam got to both of them. They agreed it was somewhere in South America, and their theory actually evolved, when Chrome mentioned that Senku would have to get petrified from bellow, being in Japan. But Senku saw the beam on the horizon and was petrified from the front, so it couldn't be the method of petrification we know from Medusa (a globe of beam engulfing a sphere of space). If it would have worked as Medusa did, it would engulf ISS as you've said (getting Byakuya's team petriefed too). ISS was circling around Earth much faster than the beam was spreading and that's why the beam sphere could not be so "non-symmetrical" (the centre of the beam, "Medusa", would have to be in centre of Earth, which is not probable). Next finding: The beam couldn't be just light, bcs it took nearly a hour till it engulfed the whole Earth. Interesting conclusion of theirs was, that even tho they saw light, it was only a side effect of some luminous substance that was dragged by gravity to the surface. The substance was probably volatile enough to get "washed" all around the surface, which explained nicely the symmetrical spread of light (spreading with constant speed) all around Earth. And this fact somehow confirmed, why Byakuya and others didn't get effected in space.

Uh, that was long. I just wanted to sum it up, I know you've read it and you know all that already, but by writing it down like this, it helps to imagine, how complicated this chapter was, but at the same time how many more potential it has in explanaining it furhter...

For example - If it was some form of a substance, how could it engulf the whole Earth, if we consider the natural flow of air, various climates, temperature etc.? The most logical explanation so far (to me at least) would be probably some sort of a mass chain reaction that could take action only in presence of a majority substance which is part of air. And that would somehow "explain" how it could spread relatively fast and so evenly. I think Senku and Xeno said, it's not important to research the cause further, bcs their main goal was to get the place of the impact coordinates. I personally think that further explanation lies in South America, that is, if they don't plan to brain-storm in the next chap' too :)

But I have to confess, I can't remember at all, how Senku managed to realize in the past that the beam started in South America... It's probably got to do sth with Why-Man, but I can't remember details, how did the idea came to light...


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Gonna transition the conversation over since avoiding spoiler tags makes it easier:
angellucy wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:12 am
And Byakuya was actually preparing for space in the US and was part of the same project as Xeno, so they were collegues back then. But I don't think there was ever shown any indication, that Byakuya and Xeno were friends. But who wouldn't be a friend with Byakuya, right? XD
Good thing you read things recently. But for sure, Byakuya is totally a person to just become friends with everyone he meets!
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:12 am
Will see how long will it take to happen (or how easily can Xeno be actually converted) :)
Yea...it's a little strange how smoothly/easily it is going. I was expecting more "resistance" from Xeno's evil side.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:12 am
I see trolling as a necessary fun component tho. It's like playing with characters, situations and possibilites at the same time, that's why I consider trolling as an important part of a story developement. If there would be only a pile of scientific teories, fighting and touchy moments, my heart would explode, I need an optimistic strike to lighten up the show. Especially if I talk about Dr. Stone series, which aims to popularize science in a fun, thrilling and enjoyable way - so in this case with no jokes, no spark to me (but that's just my personal opinion, there are ppl who love serious stories more, depands..). And to be even more concrete... Try to look from Kohaku's (and first Chrome's) point of view at that bubble time: Xeno and Senku were throlling, without a question at first glance XD I think making the bubble scene (and many others similar ones) was and is a brilliant way to talk to the fans, like this the difficult information and theories can be digested more easily, that's why I would never say that the throlling is sth meaningless. Actually to sum my thoughts up: Dr. Stone turned "throlling" to sth meaningfu. So it looks like me and you see "throlling" as sth different, but actually agree with each other at the same time, wahah.
Yup, I have a very negative implication of "trolling" => keyboard warriors talking big when they cannot back up what they say. A huge part of the bias is MMA discussion boards where masculine pride was just excessive though, so it is a very biased bias. But for me, the flow of different emotions through a plot and the author's ability to make it seem natural is a huge factor in literary perfection. The most important aspect is monotony. If excellent action is just constant, it looses impact because of experiencing the same things over and over. Stand up comedy has a similar problem that if someone only has "one style" it eventually gets boring even if they come up with higher quality jokes.

I do the see the trolling from your perspective (it is over the top/exaggerated in the "play" in that their facial expressions, body language, etc. is creating this perception that they are just goofing off). Kurara made another great fun science example because this experiment necessitates "playing with bubbles" to accomplish the calculations. I should clarify that the usage is perfect and definitely necessary, I guess I got clarification with trolling not being a negative thing.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:12 am
It is truth, if the series turns to get too predictable, it may get boring. Tho I think I told you about it before, that I don't find literary perfection to be sth major to consider when deciding if I should carry on watching the series or not in comparison to you. I am a moody person, and if the series strikes my mood well, I love it with all of its pros and cons. And no, it is not my first time seing a beauty, I watched too many to say sth like that XD But I do like it very much, even if I complain from time to time. And if I like sth very much, I am a faithful fan.

Loosing a fun freedom, huh. Well, that is sth inevitable if you want to end the story someday with all breadcrumbs connected. I don't find it boring tho, bcs even when the story is finnished completely, there still can be made several other stories that are inspired by its universe, some non canon works. Imagination has no boundary afterall and another fun may begin~ ^_^ And no, I'm not talking about pervy stuff, I promise :D But really, even if breadrumbs indicate a very highly possible outcome (which turns the series to be too predictable), you can still play with wild what-if situations to spice the theories for enjoyment. It does not have to be anything certain at all (proven by many breadcrumbs), it's just for fun, and it doesn't have to be taken so literally, nearly scientifically :)
The real test is if literary perfection can be maintained. In theory, it is easy to keep major arcs/key points on the world goal map hidden. Kazakhstan is probably the perfect example. People that didn't read the side story have no idea that this is pretty much guaranteed to be an arc (and probably the most important). We will be able to predict the remaining parts necessary for space travel once we have the majority of arcs completed, but knowing the outline doesn't mean we can predict all key plot points within the arc. Moreover, all of the necessary emotional roller-coaster events are the unconscious "enjoyable" aspects that make the climax reach maximum impact/enjoyment.

Ah, the whole "next generation" is a common cop out to end series/give fan service to keep discussions going for sure. I'm willing to bet the house that experiencing what I'm talking about with Dr. Stone will be key. The amount of fun discussions that can happen is going to skyrocket (and maintain this level for a few years). Once we get the majority of key space travel components in place, the remainder of the plot becomes extremely predictable (again big picture only => if literary creativity is lost, even the chapter to chapter parts become predictable, but extremely unlikely with Dr. Stone). The percentage of a completed puzzle is probably the best analogy. We only have 10-20% of the puzzle pieces in place. We have no idea what the entire picture is going to be. As we get more and more puzzle pieces in place, it gets easier and easier to see what the picture truly is.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:33 am
I personally think this chapter might have proven there are various ways of how can human be petrified. Medusa doesn't have to use the same method of petrification as was shown at the start of the series. At least according to the progress of spread, it doesn't seem so. Medusa spreads into a sphere from the centre, in a symmetrical way. The first apocalyptic beam spread equally, step by step till it engulfed the whole Earth surface, there was no sphere of a beam, but sort of a luminous "wave". This wave was approaching like tsunami (tsunami of luminous substance) rather than sound. So Medusa may be sth completely different. I so love this fantastic science of Dr. Stone universe <3
Oh, exactly. This chapter confirms that we have two Medusa mechanics/way of operating. We have the start of the series (this luminescent/wave pattern of petrification) and all of the Treasure Island usages where it is a sphere of light (slight decreases with the chain/line of allies).

Scientifically, sound waves, radio waves, ocean/water waves, etc. all travel/move in the same patterns. So we are talking about the same mechanics. Sound waves was the first thing that popped to mind since I just type my essays out without editing/whatever comes to mind first the vast majority of the time.

Side tangent: because the energy source was so big, there were no displayed delays/altering of the wave (or at least from what I remember in the anime). This also has to be the case since Senku and Xeno's calculations are based on a constant speed of travel. How this massive Medusa attack was created is the biggest mystery, and we might get some answers in this South America arc (i.e. they find a massive machine/base to amplify the Medusa energy).
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:33 am
Interesting conclusion of theirs was, that even tho they saw light, it was only a side effect of some luminous substance that was dragged by gravity to the surface. The substance was probably volatile enough to get "washed" all around the surface, which explained nicely the symmetrical spread of light (spreading with constant speed) all around Earth. And this fact somehow confirmed, why Byakuya and others didn't get effected in space.
I think I have to go back to the chapter. The results/how everyone got petrified are the above results, 100%, but I don't remember any conclusion by the team of the "matter"/what the Medusa wave is made of.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:33 am
Uh, that was long. I just wanted to sum it up, I know you've read it and you know all that already, but by writing it down like this, it helps to imagine, how complicated this chapter was, but at the same time how many more potential it has in explanaining it furhter...
Oh, no I 100% agree. Trying to figure out all of this is huge. All the breadcrumbs are there, but most people will miss things because it is an information overload. A willingness to break it down and piece together is what the manga team wants. Most people won't be willing to do it.

Based on the visual mechanics, the worldwide Medusa wave could not penetrate the earth's atmosphere. We know planes were petrified and crashed (started some of the fires the astronauts saw). So there are tangents that explain why Chrome's comment was needed for Senku and Xeno to proceed on the right path of theorization. Technically, the mechanics they saw already imply making Chrome's assumption, but it is a necessary plot point for Chrome to be accepted (the opposite would have been Senku and Xeno skipping the testing of a bubbles from the start and then telling Chrome: "Duh, we knew that already"). So the chapter fits because Senku and Xeno will test every option first and they were caught up in the spherical pattern (Xeno shouldn't know this since he never saw anything from Treasure Island, but necessary minor disconnect).
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:33 am
For example - If it was some form of a substance, how could it engulf the whole Earth, if we consider the natural flow of air, various climates, temperature etc.? The most logical explanation so far (to me at least) would be probably some sort of a mass chain reaction that could take action only in presence of a majority substance which is part of air. And that would somehow "explain" how it could spread relatively fast and so evenly. I think Senku and Xeno said, it's not important to research the cause further, bcs their main goal was to get the place of the impact coordinates. I personally think that further explanation lies in South America, that is, if they don't plan to brain-storm in the next chap' too :)
I'm thinking it is just an energy wave. The small medusa creates this wave and just shoots it out in all directions. The medusa we see is like an infinity sign. My brain sees just an "O" shape for the worldwide medusa. There has to be some sort of amplification device (what the team probably finds in my mind). The O shape is because it has to shoot an O rather than a sphere. With the initial O wave being amplified to be the entire height from the earth's surface to the edge of space/earth's atmosphere's top, this is what makes the "round gun" creates a Medusa wave that travels around the entire earth from South America.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:33 am
But I have to confess, I can't remember at all, how Senku managed to realize in the past that the beam started in South America... It's probably got to do sth with Why-Man, but I can't remember details, how did the idea came to light...
Off the top of my head, the sparrow/birdies being petrified stemmed from South America. Xeno knows this because he saw Senku's publication of his work online. So Xeno got the results without having to track/test anything.


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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
Good thing you read things recently. But for sure, Byakuya is totally a person to just become friends with everyone he meets!
Ooh, I don't mind re-reading stuff too, it makes me so nostalgic sometimes :3

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:12 am
Will see how long will it take to happen (or how easily can Xeno be actually converted) :)
Yea...it's a little strange how smoothly/easily it is going. I was expecting more "resistance" from Xeno's evil side.
I think there might be a tiny spark of resistence still, but this chap' has sure proven how character's moods are like on a roller coaster sometimes.

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
for me, the flow of different emotions through a plot and the author's ability to make it seem natural is a huge factor in literary perfection. The most important aspect is monotony. If excellent action is just constant, it looses impact because of experiencing the same things over and over. Stand up comedy has a similar problem that if someone only has "one style" it eventually gets boring even if they come up with higher quality jokes.
So, were you glad, that the hurried pacing that was past few chaps before this one finally slowed down a bit in this chapter? That "monotonous" action has gotten somehow nicely enriched by a research (with fun parts) to let us breathe a bit... I sure was glad :D It even brought such an amazing scientific theory! :3

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
Moreover, all of the necessary emotional roller-coaster events are the unconscious "enjoyable" aspects that make the climax reach maximum impact/enjoyment.
I really hope that the pattern of emotional roller-coaster events won't get predictable any time soon, so that we can enjoy it to the fullest and as long as we can :)

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
Ah, the whole "next generation" is a common cop out to end series/give fan service to keep discussions going for sure. I'm willing to bet the house that experiencing what I'm talking about with Dr. Stone will be key. The amount of fun discussions that can happen is going to skyrocket (and maintain this level for a few years).
Unfortunatelly I think the best discussions, spin offs and such will always be the most frequent and most enjoyable, when the series is ongoing. I wonder if the fandom will keep going after the series is done. I wouldn't be surprised if it did for some time, but viewers these days tend to switch to a new ones quite fast, true story :sadpepe:

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
Once we get the majority of key space travel components in place, the remainder of the plot becomes extremely predictable (again big picture only => if literary creativity is lost, even the chapter to chapter parts become predictable, but extremely unlikely with Dr. Stone). The percentage of a completed puzzle is probably the best analogy. We only have 10-20% of the puzzle pieces in place. We have no idea what the entire picture is going to be. As we get more and more puzzle pieces in place, it gets easier and easier to see what the picture truly is.
There will be a day, when the developement of Dr. Stone is gonna turn predictable, bcs there will be just too many breadcrumbs that indicate only limited number of ways of continuation, but actually with this series's special hyper pacing, it may remain being unpredictable to the last chapters in a way :)

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
Scientifically, sound waves, radio waves, ocean/water waves, etc. all travel/move in the same patterns. So we are talking about the same mechanics. Sound waves was the first thing that popped to mind since I just type my essays out without editing/whatever comes to mind first the vast majority of the time.
Yes, those are similar with each other. But I used the word "wave" only in a metaphoric meaning for the first petrification impact. I suspect it was a massive chemical chain reaction with some major air substance and that reaction was accompanied with a side luminous effect. (wasn't working like Medusa)

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
How this massive Medusa attack was created is the biggest mystery, and we might get some answers in this South America arc (i.e. they find a massive machine/base to amplify the Medusa energy).
"Now that makes me excited!" XD I'm turning into Senku..

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
I think I have to go back to the chapter. The results/how everyone got petrified are the above results, 100%, but I don't remember any conclusion by the team of the "matter"/what the Medusa wave is made of.
I wasn't talking about Medusa tho, only that Medusa and the first petrification impact work differently. Which is why Medusa could easily be some sort of sound/light wave, but the First impact could be a chemical weapon of sorts. I (but mostly Dr. Stone science team :D) deduced it from a way how it spreads. Medusa "blows" some sort of a globe of energy, but it has a limited range. But the First petrification was coming from the horizon, slowly on the surface, and Sanku back then was not petrified from the ground under him, but from the front (South America is across Japan, if we go through Earth). And ISS would have gotten petrified too, if the First impact would work as Medusa we know.

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
Based on the visual mechanics, the worldwide Medusa wave could not penetrate the earth's atmosphere. We know planes were petrified and crashed (started some of the fires the astronauts saw). So there are tangents that explain why Chrome's comment was needed for Senku and Xeno to proceed on the right path of theorization. Technically, the mechanics they saw already imply making Chrome's assumption, but it is a necessary plot point for Chrome to be accepted (the opposite would have been Senku and Xeno skipping the testing of a bubbles from the start and then telling Chrome: "Duh, we knew that already"). So the chapter fits because Senku and Xeno will test every option first and they were caught up in the spherical pattern.
I think Chrome's hint wasn't just a proof he should be counted in a science team, it might be an important detail actually. Not that we know anything for sure ofc, just a hunch of mine :D

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Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:09 pm
I'm thinking it is just an energy wave. The small medusa creates this wave and just shoots it out in all directions. The medusa we see is like an infinity sign. My brain sees just an "O" shape for the worldwide medusa. There has to be some sort of amplification device (what the team probably finds in my mind). The O shape is because it has to shoot an O rather than a sphere. With the initial O wave being amplified to be the entire height from the earth's surface to the edge of space/earth's atmosphere's top, this is what makes the "round gun" creates a Medusa wave that travels around the entire earth from South America.
Hmm, that sure sounds interesting too. But if it would be O shape, gravity still plays a big role in it. Without gravity, the O shape whould just grow larger and disappear into space (not engulf the whole Earth), that's why I believed it's primarily a substance that is attracted to the ground by gravity and this substance, that is all around us in high percentage (even where the planes are flying), is affected by a first power spark, which would iniciate chemical massive chain reaction, and that reaction would produce side light - luminiscence. The sound theory for Medusa does sound very close and I think it might be the case in a way, tho I still can't imagine, how would it work for the whole Earth. My substance theory can't be applied on Medusa, bcs Medusa works in water the same way like in atmosphere, there was no deformation of its spheric enlarging, so sound theory could be much closer to it, but probably not it fully. But I was only applying my substance theory on the first impact and not on Medusa.

BTW: I just remembered that there was a syntetic voice of Senku (and Senku's recorded voice), who said the size of space and the time before iniciaton, but nothing happened, so the order for Medusa has to be made by a human vocal cords, and any synthetic/recorded one does not work. (And even Ibara talking underwater iniciated it, that might be a bug or simplification of sorts :shrug: ) So vibrations of a human voice could be the first "push" to trigger the mechanism of Medusa. Tho the biggest question mark is, how can it be recharged. Ibara had to know it, bcs he used it for quite a long time. But when Senku achieved Medusa, it needed to be recharged? How unlucky can Senku get? :D

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But I have to confess, I can't remember at all, how Senku managed to realize in the past that the beam started in South America... It's probably got to do sth with Why-Man, but I can't remember details, how did the idea came to light...
Off the top of my head, the sparrow/birdies being petrified stemmed from South America. Xeno knows this because he saw Senku's publication of his work online. So Xeno got the results without having to track/test anything.
Cool, that nicely completed the picture, thanks :)


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angellucy wrote:
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So, were you glad, that the hurried pacing that was past few chaps before this one finally slowed down a bit in this chapter? That "monotonous" action has gotten somehow nicely enriched by a research (with fun parts) to let us breathe a bit... I sure was glad :D It even brought such an amazing scientific theory! :3
From my "literary analysis" standpoint, I do like it more now that I understand the purpose. Making the pacing feel rushed, creates the frantic and rushed emotions that Senku and the entire team is going through. It makes us feel what they are feeling, which makes the desire effect greater. All of us missed things we would pick up on if the pace wasn't accelerated.

I hated it in the moment since I assumed something would be overlooked, but it was done purposefully and achieved the goal of making us feel a little of what the characters were feeling at the time.

Ah, exactly! The contrast exaggerates and creates greater impact. Oda's climax scenes aren't all that "special" by all variable (IF taken alone => a double page spread of a final attack can be super generic [the wide angle view of Doffy getting shot to the ground]). Oda used to spend extra time and put some extra "love" into his artwork really early in the series. Even with completely different technology, the shading of Luffy standing over the rubble of Arlong Park comes to mind. FYI Dr. Stone is too short so we don't have examples of this since I know it rubs you the wrong way a little (or I'm assuming hopefully only a little).
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
I really hope that the pattern of emotional roller-coaster events won't get predictable any time soon, so that we can enjoy it to the fullest and as long as we can :)
Well, purposefully making it random is key. Again, Dr. Stone is too short, so I'm going to reference the latest manga chapter. No spoilers and just vague descriptions: random comedic effect characters are introduced to lighten the mood of all of the current pace of the action. It is a Japanese bias because some of the jokes are Japanese related, but it "failed" as a mood lightener to the same extent because it wasn't made clear that it was purely for comedic relief. It still is successful in breaking the "monotony" that we subconsciously feel. We all need different levels of change, but that's where a huge part of literary perfection is to have integrated ebbs and flows of all types. Ah, this is why I am super biased to like series that have "a little bit of every emotion". The author, mangaka, writer (for shows/movies), etc. knows at least subconsciously an integral part of literary perfection. And just in case, this is the "functional application of literary perfection vs. the "definition only" of literary perfection.
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
Unfortunatelly I think the best discussions, spin offs and such will always be the most frequent and most enjoyable, when the series is ongoing. I wonder if the fandom will keep going after the series is done. I wouldn't be surprised if it did for some time, but viewers these days tend to switch to a new ones quite fast, true story
And this is where I will bet that both One Piece and Dr. Stone will be different. To what extent, I have absolutely zero idea of course. But because there are so many "hidden gems", rewatching/rereading is worthwhile. It won't be forever, but this community should last at least a few years after One Piece ends. If we can monopolize the survival of the 2021 shutdowns, then we should be able to build and last even longer. I don't know if I'll still be around that long, but who knows. Either way, I'm extremely optimistic because I have already seen the difference in discussions. It isn't bad for other series, but the level of lasting impact is different. People will only gain greater appreciation for the literary perfection upon rewatching/rereading. Unless there is a large group of people "overanalyzing", breadcrumbs will always be missed.
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
But I used the word "wave" only in a metaphoric meaning for the first petrification impact. I suspect it was a massive chemical chain reaction with some major air substance and that reaction was accompanied with a side luminous effect. (wasn't working like Medusa)
Ah, I got ya. The science of it is that if this is the case, it does not maintain a constant speed. Immediately, areas with ocean and land will have completely different chemical compositions from each other. It is super, super subtle, but the mechanics have to be an amplification of a round Medusa attack (vs. the sphere attacks shown in all other cases). How the amplification, is going to be completely unknown and could be something stupid (stupid in the sense that it is a very basic and seemingly "non-scientific" manner => which I think shows scientific genius in that Why-man created this seemingly impossible feat with something so basic) or it could be more "alien level technology" (I don't know how else to classify Medusa).
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
but actually with this series's special hyper pacing, it may remain being unpredictable to the last chapters in a way :)
Yes, exactly. Creating different "impact" on readers can come from a variety of ways. The more "tools in the toolbox" of the mangaka/manga team, the greater the chances of success. This is where Inagaki and Bochi keep surprising me because they appear to be developing new tools and tricks as the series progresses. I include Bochi because the Byakuya side story gives us insight to his "manga style", and he's the one influencing Inagaki to be more subtle on trying to hide the breadcrumbs (changing the views/perspective of how the panel is drawn). They are learning from each other and making each other better. I have all the respect for Inagaki since it's super easy to have the elitist-mindset when getting to that level of skill.
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
"Now that makes me excited!" XD I'm turning into Senku..
Perfect! The series is doing "it's job" on making people more interested in science. Knowing science allows one to "manipulate" the world to their liking (in a good way for manipulate). It can be full control, like how Senku has full control of every other "fight" prior to this arc. It takes mastery though. Can't get to mastery without at least having some interest to start though.
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
I wasn't talking about Medusa tho, only that Medusa and the first petrification impact work differently. Which is why Medusa could easily be some sort of sound/light wave, but the First impact could be a chemical weapon of sorts. I (but mostly Dr. Stone science team :D) deduced it from a way how it spreads. Medusa "blows" some sort of a globe of energy, but it has a limited range. But the First petrification was coming from the horizon, slowly on the surface, and Sanku back then was not petrified from the ground under him, but from the front (South America is across Japan, if we go through Earth). And ISS would have gotten petrified too, if the First impact would work as Medusa we know.
Yes, so to backtrack a bit, there has to be some mysterious/magical/ingenious way of amplifying the Medusa attack. Based on the discovered mechanics, the main "conclusion" is that is HAS to be an "o"/circular attack. It cannot be a sphere (it could be a sphere if different mechanics of Medusa science are introduced, but this is too much of a plot hole). Because it is astronomically amplified, this is where the visual "wave" comes in. This also explains the slower speed. If you cut off the top and bottom of the shown Medusa attacks, this is the start of the world wide petrification. There is a mystery object that then amplifies this exponentially (I'm vaguely remembering the astronauts being able to see it spread initially, since they see the light of the amplified Medusa attack).

I can get into the results of testing that led to this "conclusion" as needed.
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
I think Chrome's hint wasn't just a proof he should be counted in a science team, it might be an important detail actually. Not that we know anything for sure ofc, just a hunch of mine :D
Per the above explanation of the "conclusions", yes, it was the most important detail to progress to the next point. It is something "common sense" though...so this is why Bochi draws both Xeno and Senku to be super happy upon hearing Chrome's comment. It could have been "evil Xeno" if the manga team wanted (the whole: "of course I already knew that you idiot").
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
Without gravity, the O shape whould just grow larger and disappear into space (not engulf the whole Earth), that's why I believed it's primarily a substance that is attracted to the ground by gravity and this substance, that is all around us in high percentage (even where the planes are flying), is affected by a first power spark, which would iniciate chemical massive chain reaction, and that reaction would produce side light - luminiscence. The sound theory for Medusa does sound very close and I think it might be the case in a way, tho I still can't imagine, how would it work for the whole Earth. My substance theory can't be applied on Medusa, bcs Medusa works in water the same way like in atmosphere, there was no deformation of its spheric enlarging, so sound theory could be much closer to it, but probably not it fully. But I was only applying my substance theory on the first impact and not on Medusa.
Ah, I see where you are coming from much more clearly now. Yes, there is "manga magic" where the amplified Medusa wave just "magically stops" at the height of Earth's atmosphere. This could be an exact calculation by Why-man and the amplification device, or it could be a potential chemical reaction too (the void of space negates/stops the attack from entering space).

The key science is the constant speed. Light is affected by gravity, but in extremely small amplitudes/extents. Because the amount of "energy" is so strong, it overcomes gravity. It remains constant because it is not affected by gravity. The proof is the weakening from the allies lining up in a straight line. There was zero weakening by the strongest weakening factor because the wave was astronomically amplified. Why-man calculated the amount of amplification necessary to 100% guarantee success.

So typing this out, this makes me think space "negates" the Medusa attack. Why-man over estimated and made an attack that would go around the world twice. If space did not void it, it would spread and hit the ISS. Or it could be possible that the "force" behind the wave is so strong that it stays constant for 2+ passes over the earth without being affected by any variable.
angellucy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:25 am
BTW: I just remembered that there was a syntetic voice of Senku (and Senku's recorded voice), who said the size of space and the time before iniciaton, but nothing happened, so the order for Medusa has to be made by a human vocal cords, and any synthetic/recorded one does not work. (And even Ibara talking underwater iniciated it, that might be a bug or simplification of sorts ) So vibrations of a human voice could be the first "push" to trigger the mechanism of Medusa. Tho the biggest question mark is, how can it be recharged. Ibara had to know it, bcs he used it for quite a long time. But when Senku achieved Medusa, it needed to be recharged? How unlucky can Senku get? :D
This might turn into a mini-Medusa theory I might have to reference throughout the series...

Immediately, there are potentially infinite ways to create a "trigger". Bombs are the same way. Why-man just has to create a different trigger. I can expand as needed on the science behind this aspect, but hopefully the bomb analogy explains it.

There is zero need for recharge. If Why-man is smart, he only put enough energy for the initial "o" Medusa attack (the amplification guarantees success), so there is large margin for error on underestimating the charge.

Because Ibara is a "loyal underling", he is given a fully charged Medusa. Why-man already calculated for the potential of people reviving, so he is just like Senku and planned for potentially every other option. And this is where the simple answer is the most likely answer.

Man, this turned into a "fun discussion" pretty quick. But it is the "end of series" related information though so that makes sense.


Back to the blind Oda faith (until the next B.S. of course).
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