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Johannes

> So how many people here think Kanki is going to ditch Qin sooner or later? Well, in real history its said (I only heard passing comment, don't ask for proof), Kanki had fled after losing one of his battles in fear of Sai beheading him. King of Qin in real history is known to be ruthless murderer and was also famous for burying large scale body count alive. In any case many believe that Kanki fled to another state (Yan)! Huan Yi, Fan Wuji or Huan Ji was a Qin General who betrayed his state and escaped to the Yan State. (source: wiki/Huan_Yi) Fun Fact: King of Qin is a ruthless murderer (very TRUE) : So I've read this article regarding details between Ousen and Kanki, there's also a controversy on what really could/might happen to Kanki! Battle of Fei: The battle of Fei was the first loss that Ying Zheng(Ei Sei) tasted during his rule. After capturing Ping Yang and Wu Cheng, the Qin army was marching towards the Zhao capital of HanDan. Li Mu(Riboku) was summoned back from Yan Men and ordered to defend Zhao from the Qin invaders. Leading his men from Yan Men, he met up with the HanDan army at YiAn, constructing fortresses and refuse to face the Qin army, waiting for the best chance to strike (similar to the tactic Li Mu used against the Xiong Nu at Yan Men). Wanting to end the battle quickly, Huan Yi(Kanki) led most of his men and attack the castle of Fei Xia nearby. With most of the Qin army out of their camps, Li Mu attacked the Qin camp with half of his army and forced Huan Yi to return. When Huan Yi returned, he was fighting a losing battle as Li Mu coordinated a pincer attack using half of his army currently stationed at Qin camp and the other half from the fortress. Huan Yi manage to escape with a handful of his men and fled. This victory over Qin also earned Li Mu the title of Lord Wu An. Final Battle against Zhao: From Intrigues of the Warring States(Zhan Guo Ce), Book of Zhao, Chapter 4: 秦使王翦攻赵，赵使李牧、司马尚御之。李牧数破走秦军，杀秦将桓齮。 Translation: Qin sent Wang Jian(Ousen) to attack Zhao. Zhao sent Li Mu(Riboku) and Sima Shang(Shi Ba Shou) to defend against the invasion. Li Mu defeated the Qin army and killed the Qin general Huan Yi(Kanki). Courtesy to u/ResV1, we can now finally confirm that Huan Yi(Kanki) did survive the loss to Li Mu(Riboku) in the earlier war and joined Wang Jian(Ousen) in the final invasion against Zhao where he got himself killed. The Controversy (Now confirmed to be untrue): Note: Below is the controversy brought up in actual history. It was recorded that Huan Yi(Kanki) “奔还” after his loss in the Battle of Fei in Zi Zhi Tong Jian, a history book written in the Song dynasty around 1000 years after Qin dynasty. 奔 is translated as “run” while 还 is translated as “return” so i will interpret it as Huan Yi DID return to Qin after his loss. My guess is he was either executed or was demoted to a farmer as punishment as there were no other records about him after this. However, Zi Zhi Tong Jian was a book written 1000 years after the event, so the accuracy is questionable. There wasn’t any records of Huan Yi returning to Qin or escaping to Yan from the historical records before this. Now let’s look at Fan YuQi(Han O Ki). Nobody knows who he is and why is he a highly wanted man in Qin. All we know is that he was took in by Crown Prince Dan of Yan and was so highly wanted by Qin that it made Qin Shi Huang(Ei Sei), a king who suspects almost everyone, trust a random ambassador from Yan and allowed him to see him in court. It is understandable why people linked Huan Yi to Fan YuQi as their stories seem to fit very well together, one disappearing suddenly and the other appearing suddenly for no reason later. However, according to some research that some people did, Crown Prince Dan took in Fan YuQi(Han O Ki) around the 17th or 18th year of Zheng’s rule while Huan Yi lost the Battle of Fei in the 14th year. There is at least a 3 year gap in between. So what happen to Huan Yi/Fan YuQi during the 3 year gap?That is if they are even the same person at all. As we can see from the evidences above, we cannot conclude that Huan Yi is Fan YuQi unless we have more evidence to prove it otherwise. It has been confirmed that Huan Yi(Kanki) and Fan Yu Qi(Han O Ki) are 2 different characters in the manga as of the conclusion of the Rao Ai rebellion arc. Fan Yu Qi in the Kingdom universe is confirmed to be Hanoki, the general who took part in Rao Ai’s rebellion. He will later escape to Yan and offer his head to Jin Ke to assassinate Sei. Source: https://magaxking.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/ou-senwang-jian-and-kan-kihuan-qi/ Just as what Phenom said Kanki would certainly goes with the flow (for now) especially if it's in his favor and It's up to Hara Sensei to change real history in his masterpiece :

phenom

I sense that he may alter things slightly. I would love to see a pairing of Yo To Wa pairing with Kan Ki. It would certainly make for an interesting bond, considering they're both 'leaders' of mountain people/bandits. Who do you suppose will take senior command with them being ushered into battle again?

Johannes

> I sense that he may alter things slightly. I would love to see a pairing of Yo To Wa pairing with Kan Ki. It would certainly make for an interesting bond, considering they're both 'leaders' of mountain people/bandits. NO NO NO NO NO NO : : : : : : Tan Wa-sama is my waifu : : : : : : > Who do you suppose will take senior command with them being ushered into battle again? Probably Yo Tan Wa : : : (Hey I'm not bias here : ).

phenom

Denied, she's clearly my waifu.

Johannes

> Denied, she's clearly my waifu. : : :

mr.mxy

> I sense that he may alter things slightly. I would love to see a pairing of Yo To Wa pairing with Kan Ki. It would certainly make for an interesting bond, considering they're both 'leaders' of mountain people/bandits. Who do you suppose will take senior command with them being ushered into battle again? Yo To Wa doesn't seem to be type that could be interested in Kanki though, from Kanki's (if it develops) would be one sided love haha

Johannes

> Yo To Wa doesn't seem to be type that could be interested in Kanki though, from Kanki's (if it develops) would be one sided love haha I agree! Kinda like Tan Wa is not interested in love relationship at the moment...Koku’ou and General Heki would be mad if they knew this kind of news :

mr.mxy

phenom

Speaking of General Heki, how come we haven't seen much of him lately?

Johannes

> Speaking of General Heki, how come we haven't seen much of him lately? The last time we saw General Heki is when he join Shin in going home to Qin, no latest news of his whereabouts (but pretty sure he want's to rejoin the YoTanWa Army as soon as possible : ) Do you think General Renpa will make a move (like going back to Zhao)? Even though General Renpa and the Zhao King are also in dispute but for the sake of saving the Zhao State or some love ones/people he left behind their? He probably heard the news of Riboku's imprisonment, so he clearly knew what will happen to Zhao's future! Just like what General Ko Chou said if they lose Riboku Zhao is finished. :

mr.mxy

> Speaking of General Heki, how come we haven't seen much of him lately? Maybe he is having wet dreams about Yo Tan Wa, after all he did help her and maybe he is expecting returns on investment. Maybe little too early, but who knows and being a man I think (virgin) he must be quite embarrassed. What interests me is how this is going to unfold in general, I mean Yo ta doesn't seem like woman who will be taking it lying down haha Johannes I had completely forgotten about Renpa, so Zhao still has one of the heavens. BUT I doubt he will come to save king, he might try to hinder Qin someway in future though. Its also about time for someone to kill Ousen, he is too overpowered. If he stays alive Qin will rule all of central land without Shin and co haha

phenom

I have a feeling that we may have a repeat of when Ei Sei's brother tried to rule the kingdom. I have a feeling that Ousen will decide that he wants to be in charge or strike off on his own to found his own kingdom, taking his forces with him - which would would then prompt Ei Sei to dispatch Shin and some of the other forces to put down his rebellion. Could make for an interesting character dynamic for Ou Hon, having to decide between his father and his true king.

mr.mxy

> I have a feeling that we may have a repeat of when Ei Sei's brother tried to rule the kingdom. I have a feeling that Ousen will decide that he wants to be in charge or strike off on his own to found his own kingdom, taking his forces with him - which would would then prompt Ei Sei to dispatch Shin and some of the other forces to put down his rebellion. Could make for an interesting character dynamic for Ou Hon, having to decide between his father and his true king. My thoughts exactly, Ousen does not seem like person who will follow Sia.

phenom

Thoughts on the latest chapter? The Zhao king is one sick bastard, biting off the ear of his own son, the crown prince?

Johannes

Update: Chapter 644 - House of the Peach Spring - The Zhao King deserves it all (along to what he did to his son the crown prince). - I also would like to see how this pathetic Kakukai would meet his end (make it bloody satisfying please) : - Clearly Ousen have something to do with this events (Riboku's execution and the stupid Zhao King being poisoned)! - The little boys stares :

phenom

Why do you think Ousen had something to do with the King imprisoning Riboku?

mr.mxy

> Update: Chapter 644 - House of the Peach Spring - The Zhao King deserves it all (along to what he did to his son the crown prince). - I also would like to see how this pathetic Kakukai would meet his end (make it bloody satisfying please) : - Clearly Ousen have something to do with this events (Riboku's execution and the stupid Zhao King being poisoned)! - The little boys stares : Plausible, there is also possibility of Ousen now gaining controll of Zhao and ushering his own empire and then attacking Qin. This is just my hypothesis, but I can't really wrap around the fact that Qin forces loyal to Sia have been returned to capital and Ousen certainly has enough pull to do away with whatever left behind and then taking over Zhao. Maybe that's why he got rid of the Riboku the way he did since he would probably be the only legit threat to him in his way to take over Zhao. Maybe I'm just overthinking here, but as a military fanatic it is entirely possible to do this and I can see faint signs of this happening in some way or other. Because as things are now, most powerful person in Qin is not Sia but it is Ousen.

phenom

mr.mxy

> Plausible, there is also possibility of Ousen now gaining controll of Zhao and ushering his own empire and then attacking Qin. This is just my hypothesis, but I can't really wrap around the fact that Qin forces loyal to Sia have been returned to capital and Ousen certainly has enough pull to do away with whatever left behind and then taking over Zhao. Maybe that's why he got rid of the Riboku the way he did since he would probably be the only legit threat to him in his way to take over Zhao. Maybe I'm just overthinking here, but as a military fanatic it is entirely possible to do this and I can see faint signs of this happening in some way or other. Because as things are now, most powerful person in Qin is not Sia but it is Ousen. So are you predicting that Ousen has encouraged Ei Sei to dispatch the three young generals to Zhao where he can influence them and persuade them to his side? What about Wei and some of the other nations, they haven't reacted much and we haven't heard anything other than hits that Wei was mobilizing. I'm surprised they aren't invading Zhao from another direction to take advantage of the strife. It is what I would do. Not necessarily allying with Qin but taking advantage of the situation and weakened Zhao to expand my lands/borders. Though I'm guessing they are landlocked with Qin and cannot invade one without going through the other. Exactly, that is the most plausible military strategy, only other play here is to wait for Qin, Ousen and weakened Zhao without its King and possibly Riboku to destroy itself first and then rest would come to pick up the pieces. The fact that other nations are quite and not fidgeting over Zhao going under is suspicious, they should be allying with Zhao to deal with Qin but they have not made any more, in fact one of them even actively helped Ousen with supplies.We are talking about the same nations who had wedged collation war against Qin not too long ago when Qin was internally little shaky. Maybe same thing is happening with Zhao atm and everyone is bidding for time to strike.

phenom

I doubt it. Seems odd that Wei wouldn't pressure Qin while Zhao was weak to draw pressure from them. I know Zhao lost a foothold; but, most of their army is still intact and with Riboku or Renpa, they could easily turn the tide back in their favor. Circle around and cut off the garrison in Zhao, starve them into surrender.

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