I was referring to Luffy transmitting his thoughts to Momo / Heart pirates actually. The Zoro / Kid examples in the anime just look like simple intimidation / haoshoku wave usage to me. I wouldn't call them brainwashing at all. As for Zoro using it, I wouldn't say it's that of a deal to be honest, we know he awakens to it later on and even Luffy had instances where it leaked out prior to his haoshoku awakening. Zoro's "range" was also way shorter so it's quite believeable to me.
The big B.S. stuff is all related, and is directly why they are trying to create revisionist history. I'm going to jump around a little bit out of order: it is a HUGE deal because it is contradictory to how power ups occur. How in the world is it the "first time" using haoushoku, if Zoro is using it now? Power ups occur in the midst of struggle, so Zoro awakening haoushoku now is astronomical B.S.
But not brainwashing? How else do you explain the complete change in mentality/actions/demeanor? If this was only "intimidation" there would be submission to Zoro and Kid. All the animals that are intimidated by haoushoku are initially purely fearful/submissive. We see the oversized animals being friendly with Luffy over time, but that was because they developed a friendship.
Unless "awakening" only refers to the proficient usage. Luffy definitely uses haoushoku successfully multiple times before the 3D2Y training. However, ALL of these match some sort of struggle (yes Duval's bull was pretty minor, but not against someone potentially of only 1 douriki level of strength).
Also, range with haoushoku comes with proficiency. So unless Zoro has extremely weak haoushoku, his haoushoku wave should ripple out and affect a pretty large group. And thus all the breadcrumbs point towards B.S. revisionist history on what kenbunshoku can do. >
Well, I'd say it's quite believeable to me already actually. I just wouldn't to see mental warfare of that degree being a thing in the future cause it'd leave a lot of room for believeability to decline. But on the other hand, that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
At least per the norm, we sound like we are agreeing on 99.999% of the content and just the perspective/biases from them.>
If you’re referring to the Zoro/Waiter moment, it’s pretty unanimous among the community that it’s a subconscious use of Haoshoku.
Then how does it not ripple out farther? Zoro has the weakest haoushoku wave in all of One Piece and likely all of One Piece history if that's the case. Control with range/area of affect only comes with proficiency. If it was an uncontrolled use of haoushoku, where is the struggle that elicited it?
I'm fine with it being haoushoku, but that now contradicts how major power ups occur. B.S. revisionist history no matter what route it takes. >
Even his moment vs. Kaido is subconscious use since his response to Kaido when Kaido asks “was that Haoshoku?” was “no idea, I just hit you as hard as I could.” Which to me implies that even though Zoro has it, he doesn’t actually have any conscious control over it yet.
I really do understand your concerns and I agree that it would probably ruin the series if “mind altering kenbunshoku” were to be a thing, but I think you’re misinterpreting what you’ve seen.
If this is a word for word quote, the official translation for Kaidou's sentence is off based off the top of my head.
So I gotta use my key phrase of let's run with the B.S. then. Per the above questions, is this not a contradiction of how and when major power ups occur? Other than Duval's bull, everything else was high stakes usages of haoushoku by Luffy off the top of my head. Even Duval's bull was strong enough that others in the crew couldn't stop him (so it isn't some weakling with possibly only a 1 douriki level of strength).
So my counter is that per the norm of the ENTIRE series, most fans are missing the real extent of how many breadcrumbs there actually are and how interwoven they are. And it doesn't matter which way it is. Oda is introducing a new haki usage out of no where and having revisionist history.