So the Oden thing did turn out to be something predictable with the Kanjuro thing. Him and Orochi being alive makes sense, since they’re both such a big part of the Wano part of this arc (as opposed to the pirate conflict). It would be a waste to off screen them both.
Ashura having his Pell moment to down the Oden illusion is very cool. He’s definitely not done yet. And Dog vs. Jack? I would have hoped he’d fight alongside Cat, at least...
The way things are going, I could see all the Scabbards dying (Kanjuro included). They’re all very prepared to die and they’re certainly doing a good job of putting themselves in danger. The interesting part here is Orochi - he seems to be forming a third party of his own along with his aides. He’ll certainly help in reducing Kaido’s numbers as far as fodder goes, but obviously he has to go down to either Yamato or a Scabbard.
Momo has very strong Observation Haki, it seems... we know he has the Voice of All Things, so maybe it’s tied to that? seiryu
It looks like the Supernovas want to try dealing with the Yonko one at a time. Is that going to mean a 2v1 and a 3v1? Luffy/Law/Zoro vs. Kaido and Kidd/Killer vs. Big Mom, or Luffy/Zoro vs. Kaido and the other three vs. Big Mom? Luffy’s the only one that can hurt Kaido so he has to be the one to handle him.
Kaido is REALLY starting to like Luffy as well, so hopefully that leads to a climax fight that’s as dramatic as the Katakuri one...
Hmm...for me, both Kanjurou and Orochi have their "dreams killed" when Luffy succeeds in taking out Kaidou. Orochi will not be killed by any ally, so him actually dying seems much more befitting of all the dastardly things he did. This is where I disagree with Oda that just getting him smacked around by all the Scabbards, and potentially even if it is EVERY citizen of Wano Kuni, it doesn't seem sufficient for how much suffering he caused to the entire country. Who knows how many died from starvation. So I have a hard time thinking Oda has something sufficient to make Orochi's punishment sufficient.
The Voice of All Things has been for inanimate objects and animals primarily. The "powers" definitely overlap, but the mechanics are pretty much exactly of mantra level kenbunshoku. Maybe they are one in the same since Momo is not getting overwhelmed with voices like Coby is shown when he first awakens his kenbunshoku. Either way, I won't argue against either but the implied mechanics are slightly different.
Big Mom's Iron Balloon should be very close to Kaidou's awakening plus natural durability. So whoever is not with Luffy is at a huge disadvantage. Hopefully enough time has passed for Luffy to use some haki. If under five minutes have passed (which is possible since the recent chapters could have been what is going on at the exact same time as the build up for the main fight), then both sides are completely screwed since no one can damage a Yonkou fighting seriously. So we are going to need multiple power ups rather than just the progression to Luffy's usage of foresight kenbunshoku with Luffy vs. Katakuri. I do agree that it is a different dynamic than the usual "Luffy completes despises what X has done" that goes along with every other climax fight. The big aspect is Kaidou likes "feeling human" and having the slight possibility of dying. I honestly think he's so damn strong he enjoys pain since he never feels it unless he fights someone Yonkou-level (I'm still super biased to say Luffy never actually damages him in Gear Fourth only). >
Just here to rub in that Orochi not being dead should have been obvious.
Not overly pleased though. I would like for dead characters to be dead. To be fair Kanjuro being dead didn't make sense with his death being off-screened and being too early narratively speaking.
I do hope Ashura Doji is actually dead. Just need the stakes and things show to matter and have some emotional resonance. The series hasn't made me feel anything in quite a while honestly.
What do you think is an appropriate punishment to make fans feels Orochi "got what he deserved"? I think the sentiment you post about Ashura is exactly the same for Orochi. Oda is going to have to make a shift eventually for readers to be satisfied and have people die to emphasize the stakes of the New World. Orochi is much more fitting than Ashura to me. >
This is what I was going to suggest so I’m glad that I took the time to read the responses before just typing up my reactions stream of consciousness like normally. My first thought when I read that panel was that it was related to the VOAT and that he was linked to Luffy because he also has it. After all, they could both hear Zunesha when at Zou.
When has the Voice of All Things been for humans? They are similar powers, but mantra is humans and animals (not inanimate objects). Roger first implied (and recently confirmed with the recent anime episode) the usage for inanimate objects. I'm only remembering animals like Zunisha and the strongest Sea Kings.
Both Enel and the Aisa (or whatever the little girls name was) could pinpoint a specific person and know exactly what they were doing. I think they will be kept as separate powers, so I am biased to say this is mantra level kenbunshoku. >
The not dead Orochi thing is well... I mean... yeah. They showed his head before but he has eight of them so... I guess that doesn’t mean much with as sneaky as he is. I’m not surprised that he’s burning the place down. He’s petty like that. @seiryu I didn’t even think it was questionable as to who was doing it. Seemed a pretty obvious read to me...
I've seen bigger misreads, and even here. The explosion from the paper Oden is immediately before the fire. If someone doesn't see that it is completely different parts of the palace, overlooking Orochi's pettiness is going to be linked to the explosion rather than the reinforcement of his pettiness. Yes, probably one of the most minor points I mention in my long posts, but it came to mind so I just write it as I go. >
yeah Ashura got blown up... that should be a legit sacrifice. I don’t know how they would make it any less. I mean, Perospero survived Pedro blowing himself up because he wasn’t the one with the explosives strapped to him but Ashura doesn’t have a DF so I dunno about that one.
Man...I'm completely torn on this too. I want it to be a legit sacrifice, but every context implies it will not be. Ashura is going to live based on Oda's patterns. Plus, especially with Orochi being shown alive...pretty contradictory to kill off an ally when the plot keeps one of the most hated villians alive when a potential death was shown. >
2 successive chapters citing momonusoke's abilities & i don't like it (something strange)
Last panel feels like re watching stampede, as expected by many
( Hoping for another twist or a different kind of set-up )
Yup...and every powerhouse in the world wanting Momo's fruit ability seems like the twist to me. Hopefully CP0 doesn't see it/learn of it until much later when Luffy is strong enough to protect Momo by his reputation alone.
Yup, gotta agree on looking forward to what Oda has planned!>
Glad that this is not Oden and they are not dead but this seems to really show off a new side to Kanjuro's ability but thinking back it's not surprising coz he was making realistic animals but then talking and seemingly like the real deal is gonna be challenging but seems as well that he can't do this a lot coz it takes much more power.
Exactly! I feel like this is something perfect for the databooks where we get a thorough explanation of how it works later on. It is seemingly something completely different since the ink paintings become ink upon damage/undoing. There are limitations to it, but what exactly it is normally gets explained. Or maybe a legit SBS question since every once in a while that happens too.>
Makes sense that Ashura was the doubtful one, aside from his personality, he was one of the scabbards left behind in Wano. Now I am one of the folks who likes it when nobody dies in the story and is happy when seemingly dead characters are alive but some plot needs death and permanent death. Except if Chopper or someone finds him below and helps him out.
Did Kanjuro and Jack arrived together?or was Kanjuro just around when Oden appeared? Anyways he was aiming for Momo so why did he go to the Scabbards?
Yup. For me, I think the closest universal factor is the "acceptable punishment" for baddies. The closest universal factor for allies is how likeable/popular they are. Ah, this is in terms of deaths and especially One Piece. I don't think Oda can keep the "stakes" accurate in the New World without deaths in real time, so we'll have to wait and see if there is a tipping point/starting point or none at all.
As for the questions: Jack arrives after. It seems like part of the group already left with Ashura's sacrifice when Jack shows up and this is why Inuarashi makes his sacrifice. Also, Jack is petty that he partially lost to Inuarashi/Nekomamushi both in Zou (why he tortured them) and with his recent loss at the top of Onigashima. He thought cutting off a limb wasn't enough, so his loss probably makes him want to kill them. >
Will he rope in CP-0, I wonder? That is not good.
Crap...yes...this makes the most sense and that is terrible for the allies. >
Where is team Momo going? Mentioning Momo's powers is a bit ominous. But he is probably not gonna be able to show off much, his knowledge on Luffy's wellbeing (and maybe the whole fight up there) makes me think if Wano also has some Zunesha level creature observing the whole place.
The fight doesn't seem to be as intense yet against Kaido/BM. It almost looks chill, like they're still gauging each other out, which makes sense but they are on the clock.
Kaido's form made me immediately think of Rob Lucci. And if I remember correctly, that fight was where Luffy unleashed his Gear for the 1st time. Can't wait to see his new gears then.
With the confirmation of Momo's fruit, and probably more important that CP0 is interested in it once they learn it does exist successfully, potentially every powerhouse in the New World will be after Momo. Ah, maybe this is the trigger for the Blackbeard war.
Hahaha...hopefully, Oda has the main fight on the clock!