But I still think you understood my first explanations and thoughts about Dr. Stone a bit differently. I was pointing out if there is more of the story (->current One Piece, one of the longest series), the series will appear to be more complex than the series at its starts (->Dr. Stone, even tho the story is already very well thought through, it's still shorter, with less story arcs than One Piece). If we're still at the start (roughly stated), it's hard to say how literary perfect Dr. Stone is, if the breadcrumbs couldn't manage to get, in some cases, connected in any way yet (didn't have a chance yet, only future will tell us how well it will be accomplished).
I think I'm catching your point: essentially wanting to wait and see how the "complexity" of Dr. Stone plays out. I'm also reading this longevity bias, which again makes sense because you have to experience the plot development to make emotional investment to it. Again, the 6 vs. 9 analogy where both sides are correct relative to that perspective. I truly think problems stem from not being able to see both sides and determine the realistic compromise.
Literary perfection is much more simple than that and also what you are implying from your response (at least how it reads for me). If the breadcrumbs perfectly match up, that is literary perfection. I'm extremely biased to think people do not analyze critically to consciously or unconsciously avoid finding the plot holes and "ripping the series apart" (how people perceive me countering discussions). It is "negative" in the sense that average series are exposed to only be average even if highly rated by certain individuals. I'm biased to not care about this because reality is reality. I don't have the time to follow bad series, so this directly lead to why I developed the literary analysis to determine key factors to what makes a great series. This leads to the positive side again.
Oda said so himself that people are underappreciating and not getting the hidden nuggets of breadcrumbs (he's too politically correct to say it directly, but he implies it by saying readers need to spend more time thoroughly reading rather than rushing through each chapter => the taking 5 minutes per chapter). Having greater literary analysis (and the resulting higher expectations) directly leads to greater appreciation and enjoyment from the series. This is the whole exceeding of expectations. This is human nature and is universal to everyone. One Piece and Dr. Stone are underrated and underappreciated because people do not recognize the literary perfection.
Dr. Stone's plot is the perfect example. Now that you read the Byakuya side story, applying this to the world road map literally gives us the entire remainder of the plot. Because it is still in flux, we only see 4-5 of the remaining arcs, with almost a 100% guarantee that there will be more (Kazakhstan is going to be an arc per my bias for example). The breadcrumbs to see that certain steps to get to human-safe space travel (vs. the reality that a kid can build a rocket that can successfully exit the earth's atmosphere) are all there. Rushing through and not purposefully looking is why the series becomes underrated. If you did not have discussions on One Piece arcs, I am willing to bet similar nuggets have been overlooked. I am here at VCC solely because it is impossible for one person to find and connect them all. Because of the literary perfection, the eventual complexity is going to be the same for Dr. Stone, and that's my whole point that it is already 100% clear that the plot will become astronomically more complex. It is still the "introduction" of Dr. Stone. The long term goals of reviving all 7 billion people, keeping peace among the entire population, developing safe human travel to space, and defeating Why-man are all impossible tasks now. There's going to be layers of problems along the way to the end of the series. All the breadcrumbs are there because of the literary perfection. So your responses are reflecting the underappreciated/underrating of Dr. Stone. Of course, it will not be 20 years of manga. I don't think it ever happens again in my lifetime (even Oda's next series will probably not exceed 15 years of manga content, maybe even 10). Dr. Stone looks like it will be around 10 years to complete, which is crazy because this would be 15-20 years by "normal pacing" of other manga.
Dr. Stone is not there yet, but I think the overall plot becomes dramatically more "complex" than One Piece. The "One Piece universe" will naturally be more "complex" because of the freedom given to Oda (he says so himself the original plan was to only have ALL of One Piece only take 5 years of manga => the popularity allowed for astronomical expansion, and the greatest occurred at the start of Thriller Bark). The science aspect is the complexity. There are probably hundreds to thousands of intricate details necessary for safe space travel for humans. This is being simplified to the 5-15 remaining arcs before the Why-Man arc. Luffy going through the entire Grand Line is astronomically more simple compared to the potentially infinite variables that could go wrong with space travel (not blowing up, not burning up from the atmosphere, not suffocating, etc.).
That is why I said One Piece is more complex than Dr. Stone, bcs we have more material to confirm the fact. It doesn't mean Dr. Stone doesn't have the potential or is much simpler ofc. Just the longer the series is, the more questions there will be, so One Piece is ahaed in that matter. The potential of Dr. Stone was confirmed after your many posts - I am happy I connected some dots this way, now I can look forward to the future developement even more!
Perfect! This is the entire point of what I'm saying. The series is being underrated/underappreciated because of missing breadcrumbs. This is true for every series. Those without literary perfection will be exposed to only be moderate or bad. I can still force myself to follow a moderate or badly rated series. I just view it for what it truly is and can still appreciate the positive parts. I will never overlook the flaws/plot holes though.
I didn't mean to underrate it in any way through my previous posts. But, for me, it still has to be confirmed in the future how literary perfect it is, doesn't mean it hasn't shown the great steps of a promising developement through its many nearly invisible hints. Because we both believed and still believe it's a marvelous work, its future path will be surelly bright. The more connected it will get, the more interesting it will be, that's for sure So excuse my writing if I use weird sentences that make you rate my expectations like this from my posts. It's not the number you wrote, althought I may sound so (it changes anyway, so it's nth that static). I write many buts and they are mostly equal->"but=even tho I point out sth harshly, it's just a minor problem (if it's even a problem) and I often don't mind it, only noticed it, but love the series anyway."
I am not "attacking" by any means. I only want to point out the additional benefits of holding Dr. Stone to the same standard of One Piece. It is entirely possible you might be missing nuggets in One Piece, but I can only guess because I can't distinctly recall you in the One Piece discussions (are you caught up or not caught up to current One Piece content? I might be getting you mixed up with someone else that isn't up to date with One Piece). Either way, any series can be enjoyed even more with higher analysis/finding and connecting the breadcrumbs. It is a double edged sword because it exposes bad to moderate series to show their flaws. I can still enjoy the positive parts when this comes up, so maybe I can compartmentalize more than others (this seems to be the case from my discussions here). So I am going to give my honest opinion that you should not apply this to most of the other series you highly rate. Literary perfection is quite rare. I have over a hundred series that fall short over my lifetime of watching or reading series (you got me beat on the number of series for sure though). But, it works for me because I don't have the time to follow many series, so I have to be highly selective in what I choose to follow. Ah, if you're interested, Undead Unluck is showing astronomical potential. It is only 33 or so chapters, but I have never had a series start and hit what seems like climax level content (I think we just hit the 4th time I thought we were going to get into the climax of the entire series). I gotta find the synopsis page I wrote...here or just straight text:
I have potentially higher expectations than even Dr. Stone because even Dr. Stone's break neck speed pacing created this feel of "climax of the entire series" to happen multiple times (and contextually the climax of the series is still at least a year away).
Ah, with that whole tangent out of the way, I never judge anyone for their level of communication (we have quite a bit of people with English as their second language). I only judge their consistency of morality. I "rip posts apart" to show the missing perspective since it creates greater appreciation for truly excellent series like One Piece/Dr. Stone. I assume part of this is why our previous leader chose me to be One Piece mod when it was the completely unpopular decision. We had the slogan: "we are all nakama" and I value every person's analysis. Clarification always helps, so I fully support you trying to bridge the communication gap. I am going to support that I am getting at least the gist of your message. Because we have different perspectives, it will read like there is a bigger gap than reality. We should always agree on 99.999+% of content for any series with literary perfection. Same goes for points of disagreement in discussions. Different perspectives on the content create the biases and there is only one truth when literary perfection is being applied to a plot. Any other option is going to contradict multiple breadcrumbs.
My primary expectations don't control my liking, only expectations that are made by authors through the series do, and that changes quite often, bcs the story changes and so does my rating through the story.
The more complicated the story is, the more intrigued is the reader and the must to connect everything to get the whole picture, that searching, can make the story even more interesting for most of us.
I'm going to say you prove my point with the second sentence. It is an unconscious level of expectation probably. The more you enjoy it, the more you will pay attention and look for breadcrumbs. It sounds like I did my job and you will be on the lookout for breadcrumbs in Dr. Stone. It is all human nature, and I think it is directly tied to perceived level of enjoyment. Yes, it will make you decrease your rating for series without literary perfection, so again, don't do this for most other series. So again we can have different perspectives on what drives "expectations", my only point is the second sentence. I go on tangents to help bridge the gap on the main point, but I think this long discussion can end soon since I think we both bridged the gap on the main point (hopefully you see it as the main point/biggest benefit from all of this too).
But I don't think literary perfection is the deciding factor of liking or even loving sth (at least that applies to me). If I would go for example to the psychological genres, which may sometimes get quite abstract and contain dream stages, play with the imagination a lot, use metaphores or ask philosophical questions, which are often hard to answer or aren't meant to be answered... what I'm trying to say here is that the connecting everything may not even be possible in these cases, yet they are still quite complex and very interesting to watch.
I'm going to disagree out of experience. Literary perfection prevents you from going off and thinking the plot should take any of these infinite alternative plots. If you question the direction of the plot...it does not have literary perfection. Chances are most of these series do not have it specifically because of the complexity of the topic. Yes, I 100% agree on how much harder it becomes relative to "simple shounen series" (One Piece's plot is astronomically simplistic compared to what you brought up here with psychological series). I wasn't a fan of the mind-F*** theme when it became mainstream, but that's probably because I got exposure to a lot of bad series probably. So I have some exposure, and I guess certain romance series do have psychological focuses/themes for the series too.
To be more exact - As long as there is no major plot hole, just some question marks here and there that can be answered by each of us and is not absolutly stated by the series in any way, it doesn't matter, as long as the fan loves it as it is.
And this is the direct result of literary perfection. Weebly stopped arguing with me about literary perfection and how One Piece is a facade of complexity because it is the reality of plot development/how Oda develops his plot. It erases some of the "magic" or "aura" of "God-Oda", but I still see him in this manner because I see how statistically impossible it is to have literary perfection for every single panel except a few B.S. panels that he has half-heartedly apologized for (which is still astronomically better than him giving no apology and continuing to ruin the plot). The mangaka always has a beginning and an end planned out when they start a series. The ability to connect all the breadcrumbs in-between determines where in the spectrum of literary perfection they fall. If you are willing to have some of your ratings fall, you can re-read and reanalyze selected series. There are almost always major plot holes in most series. "Why didn't this happen instead?!" is probably the go to question for me.